Darkies: Asikhulume

ThatoM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:16 am 



Deathby number1.

Dark8lord on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:24 am 



Tjo! I knw alot of ppl in tricky situations where ppls churches prohibit the boys from ukwaluka. I fail to understand alot things in the bible.

lebza4sh0 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:26 am 



Nice read Blerh.With my mom and grandma we don’t believe in going to the Sangomas or performing any traditional rituals etc. We don’t pray to dead people so to speak, well that’s how I was raised. Every1 knows that they don’t invite my mom when they have such events coz she doesn’t attend, or if she attends due to some reasons then she won’t eat the food. But I guess we all do what works for us. Some prophet even said there’s a monkey in my mom’s car that’s why she had two accidents in one year, so they had to perform some ceremonies but my mom said he doesn’t serve a foreign God as He’s her protector but my uncles and aunts were so mad coz they said she’s taking serious things on a lighter note and stuff

Qalo on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:38 am 



Eish now I can’t sleep,shoulda waited till the morning to read this,here I am wondering if thers ‘someone’ needing a blankie outside ,honestly such scare me! *prays* patiently waits for @Lela’s comment!

ThatoM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:42 am 



I totally dnt believe ku madlozi!!! My mom at the age of 18 was told ukuthi ayo thwasa,she went coz she was still young and didn’t wanna disrespect elders and shit.she wena for like 2 months or so and came back ukuthi azosenbenza abatu and shem she didn’t last.she told her mom ukuthi yena she sees nothing nje on the bones she’s going back to church…elders told her she’s going to die coz she’s disrespecting the ancestors but ke she’s 48 years old now alive and kicking using this experience as a testimony. #TeamChristianity

JustTumieMo on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:46 am 



ma mom believes in ancestors and sangomas.. But the ancestors haven’t done anything,we’ve been slaughtering but nothing happens,no change.

GA on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:15 am 



Am listening to Micah Stampley’s song- Holiness,over and over and ryt now i know that the Jesus or Christianity thing makes sense to my core even tho i may not be able to articulat it…bt il read the article again and gooi an opinion later coz i have,a very personal,between me and God opinion that makes sense to ME on the issue at hand.

sirluthojohn on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:38 am 



*sprinkles holy water*

SihleMlambo on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:42 am 



I actually cannot comment on this

Letebele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:42 am 



@Mablerh: trust u to write bout such.

I’m a christian and I still give respect to bonkgono (ancestors). And for the record,we don’t pray to ancestors. We pray to the same God that everyone else prays to. Our ancestors prayed to the same God too.

We are christians too and that’s why we always invite God to be with us before we consult,as he is the beginning and the end.

Kitty on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:51 am 



Finally an article worth reading!!

I’ve got so much to say on the topic I’m afraid I’d write a blog within yours MaBlerh so I’ll refrain from such. Just yesterday my sister was approached by ‘umthandazi’, not sure what that is in english. Anyway she walked up to my sister and told her she needs to slaughter a goat because izinto azihambi kahle ekhaya, said something that will affect the family will be revealed soon. And then she walked away. Shocked? Stunned? Freaked the hell out? Of cos my sister was! BUT, she dismissed all that because as a family we’ve never believed in such and we were sure as hell not about to start now.

I’ve questioned the Bible over and over again without any answers that made sense to me. I went so much as addressing my Pastor and all his answers referred me to verses in the Bible. The very thing that makes no sense to me.

I’m getting a tad bit carried away so I’ll stop *-*

Great article again, really really enjoyed reading it.

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:22 am 



Nna madlozi never gave me a reason to believe in them. My late father left us His family to go and live with another woman and raise kids that were not hers. My late grandmother from dad side never loved me and the one from mom’s side is not interested in us at all (she’s alive). I never knew my grandfathers (but I heard that they were rich). Never received anything from them. And I also come from a family of inyangas and I what I saw didn’t impress me at all. Part of me wanted to believe in ancestors because my mother is a staunch believer (even though they never did anything for her. She had a hard life) so I asked God to lead me to the truth (after all He’s all knowing). He showed me Jesus. I’ve also learned that Christianity without a personal relationship with God through Jesus is a bunch of does and don’ts. Definitely not ayoba!!!#teamJesusforlife#

LJFOREVER on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 5:35 am 



What I don’t get is when someone says that they’re asking blessings from someone who could not even make their lives perfect, successful & wealthy. I’ve seen many families combine both christian & so-called African traditions, and one thing I noticed is that sometimes ppl can’t leave things like afro-traditions because of familiarity & attachment to their loved ones who passed on. I’m always told that to be a real African you need to take part in these practices somehow, if you don’t ppl judge you & call you a model-c coconut. Who’s abandoned his ancestors. Like really …

rockstatuelo on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 6:54 am 



Wooo I knew this was @Mablerh!

Well I’m practicing both, because my parents always told me to respect my ancestors even though it isn’t my kinda ish but I do it because I respect my parents.

Sterimilk on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 7:03 am 



Hayi Marbleh u were right this is indeed a very sensitive issue…

I am 1 of those who grew 2 experience both combined and I must say it has always worked 4 my family.

I’ve learnt that umntu usetyenzelwa yinto akholelwa kuyo so I won’t even go into details of how both has worked for me coz clearly the person next 2 me won’t understand it….so ke fine hlana nezakho coz ziyakusebenzela and ziyakonwabisa nam ndizohlala nezam.

rockstatuelo on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 7:12 am 



@Lebza4sho #deathy ‘monkey in the car’

Well my parents are not your hard core traditionalist were now they go to sangomas and get told all these weird things! Well my mom does go to church and reads the bible and she can preach too like wow! But somehow she’s still has a ‘relationship’ with the ancestors. I guess they don’t want to choose between Christianity and Tradition because we all just don’t know which one is right or wrong, let God be the judge of that. Well I don’t visit sangomas but I’d love to “tlhabela badimo” one day hey, you know traditional beer and the works. Oh and yall are invited kwaaaaaaa!

Ameniii Bo!

BrownEyes on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 7:18 am 



Great article!!! I’ve been stopped so many times and that I’m walking with 2 women and they just blocking all my success and everything but what I fail to understand is that they have always been there and everything in my life is going well, obviously life has its ups n downs but to me what I have is just as good. So what exactly are they blocking?? Crous?? Na they can have him vele… My family doesn’t believe in ancestors cause we were raised via bible teachings and I swear my entire family would be izangoma manje cause we’ve all been told at some point in our lives that we need to go thwasa and we just dismiss that as bullshit. So I’m 23 and the only thing I’ve known and lived by is the bible so I’ll stick to that cause though its questionable, to me it makes more sense than talking to a dead person whom at times I’ve never met cause he/she passed on donkey years before I was born, what the fudge do they know about me..

Lue on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 7:39 am 



it all boils down to what you blv in…mina i don’t blv in amadlozi n stuff….my mom has never influenced me in what i should blv in…

JaguarCutie on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:19 am 



wooow!
Once again Mablerh writes about something that we all have thought about, but have never had the guts to openly talk about or discuss. I love it! Mablerh you have always been my favourite writer, u never disappoint!

My father is both a devoted christian and also believes in trditional customs and rituals and ish. Kudala waqhumisa impepho apha ekhaya claiming that this will drive away bad spirits and bring us good luck. He even had some kind of ”muthi” that looked like rat shit that he use to burn and put on a saucer overnight. This all happened while we had a shop. A year later, my old man’s business went to the ground.

I always aked myself, was it because he was doing the rituals wrong, or was it God punishing him for not going to ask Him for help instead?

Oh well!

MsRooi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:24 am 



Hmmmmm…

Well, my mother is a traditional healer. She doesn’t go around telling people “you have a person blocking your way to success”.. Because I believe she understands what’s supposed to be done and how its supposed to be conducted. I believe “prophets” who do such are just looking for ways to get money from you by ultimately going to them for a consultation..

On the other hand, we are Christian, and go to church every sunday. So for some, Mablerh, its not a “choose between this or that”. It never is. Some just decide not to call themselves “Christian” but they do believe in God. A higher power, that both you and I pray to.

This is a sensitive issue. I don’t know all the answers so I’ll leave my comment at that.

enhle on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:27 am 



African traditional practices can never be fully understood, because there arent any written refrences to their origions and stuff we just relying on word of mouth. Unlike jesus and his homies who had time to journal everything *RME*

Thina ekhaya we rnt religious or traditional or anything, we just are. Mara mina nami i want to know why people do some of the things they do. And sometimes it makes sense to me like a person communicating with you through a “medium” because we arent just flesh and bone were also spirit and soul ryt, and then again i dnt understand why anyone would think that a person who has left the world..physically would bother themseleves with something so trivial as lotto numbers.

enhle on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:32 am 



And arent certian customs metaphors? Why would anyone think of them in a literal sense,.

Bruised Ego on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:33 am 



I’ve been fortunate enough to experience both, so from where I’m standing I can draw a conclusion!

I used to stay with my father’s family when I was young, I remember in grade 6 I had an eye infection, one of my eyes turned red, then both of them ended up red and so painful. I couldn’t see properly, my mom decided to take me to the optometrist who gave me glasses. I went back home, my grandmother (my father’s mom) took me to a traditional healer who told her that I have to change my surname (my mother’s surname) and start using my father’s surname, since my father paid for me even, though my parents are not married. Months later my eyes were ok but I continued to wear glasses. Now there was a confusion as to who helped me with my eye infection… The optometrist or the traditional healer…. But now that I’m old, I know that its the optometrist who helped me, even though my grandmother still believes that ‘me changing my surname’ is what helped me. *that grinds my nuts*

So I moved to stay with my mom who’s a christian and doesn’t believe in ancestors. I stopped being a catholic and attended faith mission with her, it has taught me a lot and now I know that I would never praise ancestors. These people are dead and that’s where they should remain ‘in the graveyard’, no goat meat or chicken will ever create a bond between us.

MaBlerh on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:33 am 



Hi guys, since people are being civil on this topic, I will participate.

To those of you that practice Christianity and African Customs, are you aware that the Bible explicitly states that God is against communicating with the dead? Communicating with the dead is the basis of African customs i.e. Amadlozi.

This clearly means that you can’t do both. Yes, you can believe in African Customs and a higher power (Umvelinqange) but you cannot add Jesus Christ to the mix. Akuhlangani.

Mapakisha on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:47 am 



I honestly don’t know what to think of this. I was raised by my gran who did all the rituals & consulted sangomas when she needed to, ba re phatsitse & ish like that & i’ve never had the desire to know why they were doing what they did. My mother on the hand claims she’s a born again christian, doesn’t want anything to do with di ancetsors & such. She unfortunately hasn’t taught me much about christianity – except all the negative stuff. I feel like I know the difference between wrong & right & try my best to live a Christian life. The thing with me is I feel like there should be a balance between the 2. But I unfortunately don’t have enough knowledge re: both Christianity & Cultural stuff…

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:50 am 



I always feel so sorry for those people on KKhumbulekaya who are looking for their parents to perform ancestral rituals for them. I remember this boy who couldn’t get a job. He found his dad but the father was not working, and he was living in a farm with another woman and his ‘new’ children. I wondered how this boy was going to be helped by a man who couldn’t even help himself!! Ku tough out there. I couldn’t never imagine my life without Jesus.

MsRooi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:50 am 



I agree with you on that point Mablerh but bringing the bible into this matter, or scriptures from the bible that inhibit one from believing in what they believe in is wrong. Yes, bring Jesus into a matter of “ancestors” isn’t prohibited by the bible. I know I’m gonna be crucified for this but… With the “gay issue”.. People can show you scriptures on how its forbidden and yet Gay guys use the same vessel, Jesus, to communicate with the Higher Power. I’m not sure how to put it but isn’t it slightly the same thing? Praying to God and going out of church to practice customs you grew up with he forbids? Praying to God knowing He forbids who you chose to love? I may be wrong, and if I am, askies, but I don’t believe bringing biblical scriptures into this will help us answer any pending questions..

*wears a bulletproof vest*

MsRooi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:52 am 



Wooooo my Engrish, I meant bringing Jesus into matters regarding “ancestors” is prohibited…. Forgive me!

Zest on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 8:54 am 



Hense I b’liv in the greater power within me…

enhle on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:05 am 



True @Mabler . People cant be “Christians” and also practice traditional stuff, beacause we all know that with god is either his way or burn in hell right. No happy medium with god.

Anyway question..by virtue of being dead , rnt god and jesus ancestors?

Mapakisha on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:05 am 



I say it’s not our place to judge, let people believe in whatever they want to if it works for them. Re tla bona ka judgement day if there is such*shrugs*

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:08 am 



Hi guys, sorry to go offtopic for just a sec, but how does a person change their gravatar on JC?

Zinomsa on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:10 am 



Cldnt agri mo wit no namba 3, I min umntu ebephila and trited lyk dirt bcz he waznt weking, nw dat he is dead m sapoz 2 respect him, whereas he waz no gud 4 nothing by de tym hi was alive! We hv vegiterians in our families, so how cum wen dey dead dey want a goat not vegies? I hv ingqithi, and wen I ask de elders in ma family abwt its significance, I nva got a straight ansa, m jst told ukuba lisiko lidala linenkqayi! wel I told dem ukuba dey mst tyk isiko labo nenkqayi leyo yalo bayilahlele le, coz I wnt hv no grwn bored woman cutting ma dotaz finga! 4 wat, isiko elinenkqayi? wel ke alichetywanga ngumntanam nokuba linenkqayi. I dnt hv tym 4 abauntu abagodolayo mna, dey say “de higher u go, de colda it bcz” so I beliv de lowa u go , de woma it bcumz. so ke umntu uyokushushubezwa ngumhlab’apha kum.period!

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:15 am 



My dad is traditionalist who questions almost everything though.He always lets us to decide if want to partake on the rituals or not,i think that is cool cause most kids are not given such a choice.One thing that he likes saying to me is since he stopped going to the sangomas,things are starting to be better in his life.He always tells me that nobody can change things in your life but you.I still wish he can add the Jesus part cause he is almost there but I am just happy he has stopped wasting money.

My contribution to this topic,decide what works for you and never let anybody discourage you by saying it doesnt work.Personally the bible works for me but if Amadlozi work fine for you,continue with it.We pay so much Tithe at church but we see something wrong when people use their last cash for Madlozi a bona,aowa,let them be.My auntie gave her church almost everything she had and died broke with nothing for her kids,so nothing is really perfect…

SilentnoMore on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:17 am 



#takes bulletproof vest off MsRooi# You have spoken the truth. I think any argument, i.e. based on reason and logic etc should be thrown out the window (with respect Mabhler). Religion and tradition as their core (and ironincally as a commonality between the two) are faith based. That is they are an irrational belief in the unknown, the mysterious tethers that binds communinities and the human race in general. Therefore a staunch Christian or staunch traditionalist cannot tell me that my belief is wrong by making biased quotes and reasons (based on their belief) to discredit me, because both are irrational. Anywho its not my intention to blog within a blog, however, as a person who believes in both, i think both whether on their own, exclusively, or in any other combination, it works because we (I) believe in it. It adds no value to Christians or to Traditionalists to cast judgment on each other….#justsayin#

Zest on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:26 am 



Napoleon Bonaparte once said “Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich…

ThatoM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:28 am 



@Msrooi ur so on point via gay people…@marahelele kwaaaaaa @ “he’s almost there”.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:29 am 



Lol @ people being civil…let me go back to the comments…

@ Lebo Lol @ the monkey in the car!!!

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:29 am 



Jah MaBlerh you hit the nail on the head.

Growing up i also had the same mindset as you, when people couldn’t explain to me rationally why some old relative was hovering over our roof bringing discord in the family and my mom was busy kgashing sea salt and talking to herself i was like, moes they don’t like us why bother!!

Funny enough my great grandmother was a sangoma who thwasad people in the rivers, my mom in her young age would beat the drums to aid the whole journey – so she was exposed to a lot of scary s*ht. So according to traditions she was supposed to be next in line, you know be a sangoma and then i was to follow because i was her first born.
But the woman never did it and when she would explain on some you have to or you will die, in my mind i would be like you go first!!

She grew up in Zim where the british nuns were still running the schools that time, so bible study was a must, remember when our parents did Theology as course ko Turfloop. So i think she really got confused in the whole matter and just decided to live in between, yes she believes in ancestors but she loves God but we never made offerings – never.

The thing that really gets me is that she dreams of this great grandmother, she gives her advice on herbal remedies, onetime she used to give her lotto numbers – strue but she didn’t write them down – she would just say, i dreamt my grand giving me a series of numbers so we will never know!!

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:37 am 



I went to a sangoma to consult and before he goois the bones, he says you must pray, nothing beats prayer. He always uses the bible first before he consults. It left me very confused because things started happening.

Now you know they say you must no go to Sangoma when you are on your cycle. I was sitting outside and my periods started on the spot, i was like damn i came all this way. But i chanced it, took off the shoes, put on the doek and went in. He opens the bible and he reads a scripture that says someting about a woman being ritually unclean when she’s on her period. Then he hands bible over and i read it ka sepedi… i was like how the heck did he know!?

lethu522 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:38 am 



..*wears a bulletproof vest*..#Deathofme…mina m jst confused wen it comes to these thngz, thnk its wise for me to believe in neither of the 2…and jst be as sm1 said above…

JaguarCutie on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:39 am 



lol #deathhby ‘isiko elinenqayi’ Zinomsa

Jellytot on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:43 am 



Here is what i believe in- prayer and hard work brings lots of blessings. I believe in God and im sure he knows im His homie. And im not against reporting to my dead mother at her gravesite about how my life is going. But sangomas are just a rip-off. If God or your deceased loved ones wanna tell you something, they will send you a sign themselves.

cijimpi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:43 am 



firstly, how does talking to a dead person help?
secondly, how do they hear u?
we just do things nje cos our parents used to do them and they get offended when we go against their tradition.
one thing i hate most in darky culture is spending money for a dead person!! we hire tents, slaughter cows, cook, for what?
yabo, anazi nani..niyenza nje.. mina bury me in a box lama tamati nje..

YES Darkies, masikhulume!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:49 am 



Inzima lendaba nafowethu… Haai…My dad’s side of the family though I must have been really young +/- did imisebenzi etc but were still staunch methodists but I can noy really recall clearly what happened but they have sinced stopped…

I am believe in Christ and in God,I do not consult in healers,etc and nor believe in the dead HOWEVER my problem is,I think with black people is Christianity was something that Africa did not follow until colonisation,etc BUT we as African had our own belief systems,etc and when colonists came we were told those traditions and customs were going to lead us to hell…My question is,why has God revealed himself to one race? Why must other faiths ie Muslims,Hindus,Jews,etc be not of God?

I think as someone mentioned,the problem with faith is it can not be reseaoned by logic and we do not just exist in the physical realm there is the spiritual realm…

Though I was not exposed to traditions and customs,I do think that there were reasons why certian things were done and they worked at that time..People have commercialised customs those Christian and Cultural…

I honestly wonder,whether Africa is at the state its in cos we have turned our traditions…I still think people will be surprised on Judgement Day…

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:53 am 



Nice aricle,apart from my belief I’ve always had the same questions as these where these things are concerned. I don’t think it’s a question of belief but using one brain. Ungaphela ngababantu bahlala berhalela inyama notywala.

Cinnabon on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:59 am 



Thank you Mablerh…this is so freaky, it’s like you have been living in my head all this time.
I believe if a spirit from beyond wants something from me…they will come to me directly…no middle man…and no ridiculous demands. If anything, they will come with advice when I need it, rather than demanding that I slaughter a cow, when they know I can not afford it.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:59 am 



Lol @Qalo I do not bash other people’s beliefs,I may question this and that but I respect everybody’s beliefs and choices in life. Personally I do not believe in ancestoral worship,I do not believe in Sangomas. I do however believe in traditinal medicine but I would rather buy it at the phamarcy cause that way I know ba ihloliwe or the one for flu (umhlonyane) that my uncle used to pick up from the garden. Otherwwise these are the same questions I’ve always asked where all these things are concerned. My belief is God is bigger than inkawu esemotweni kaMama ka Lebza so obviously He will definately protect her from that nkawu.

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:00 am 



I just think that people never ask God what is truth and what is not! We just go ahead and believe whatever we are taught. I was raised in both the african beliefs and christianity. But I had to weigh one against another by asking God which is real!

So those people who pray to God and believe He’s all powerful and yet still serve amadlozi, what exactly are amadlozi doing for you then? What is their purpose in your life? Why do you think you need them! I mean if you have God you have everything right or …

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:00 am 



I’m finding that nothing works for me.

At my house we absolutely never went to sangomas etc until after my dad died and my mom developed an unusual illness. She couldn’t sleep at night strange things would happen when she tried to. They happened to her mostly but we all experienced am. We went to all kinds of doctors but they said nothing was wrong with her. So people advised us to go to church prophets and sangomas. We did and they all said the same things the exact same thing but none of em could help. One day a sangoma bumped into my ma by chance and she got better after seeing him once and hasn’t been sick like that again.

My mom recently started going back to church but the prophets keep saying horrible things to her. My mom has always “seen” funerals and 2weeks ago she dreamt that there would be a death in the fam. On sunday she goes to church and decides my brother must come with and when one of the prophets sees him she says he needs to be prayed for coz he is going to die. Our sangoma le ena keeps calling saying something is very wrong ka my brother and needs to see him immediately.

I don’t know.

Jellytot on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:02 am 



Yep. I agree. Nothing beats prayer, its the foundation. And btw i go to my moms grave to dust it and put flowers there. Dreamed about her after she died, was wearing white. Couldnt sleep in that room for a while.

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:06 am 



*offtopic* ai mara i wordpress ingijwayela kabi.im logged in write a whole essay then when i submit comment ,it telz me i godda log on.ai BS THAT SUCKS MANUEVER YESES! AND LATELY THATS ALL IT DOES.THEN I GO REWRITE EVERYTHNG #PISSED .MXM nw do it al ova again,so comment pending

Jellytot on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:08 am 



What im trying to say is if you believe that bad things will happen then they will. Happy thoughts bring many blessings! Where they come from, im still not sure. But i still think my mom is my guardian angel orded by God to watch out for me. God is the ceo, and his angels are the managers of us on earth his employees

Ruuuunah on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:13 am 



@Mablerh

1. So u don’t believe in either one of them?

2. If yes, what is the power that performs miracles in ur lyf?

Entliek o dumela mo go eng?

Mathaz on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:16 am 



One cant serve two masters.Christianity and Amadlozi dont mix.A sangoma would know why you came to consult because of clear communication lines between evil spirits.

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:17 am 



Another thing that I don’t understand is christians who hide behind the whole “personal relationship with God” thing. We all have personal relationships with him but it doesn’t change his laws.

I also don’t understand how some of u pick and choose which rules to follow. And how u decide that some things are worse than others when the bible clearly states all sins are equal.

ScarletChild on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:25 am 



Im neither a staunch Christian nor Traditionalist but 3 weeks ago I was involved in a car accident. A week later, my mom took me to a sangoma/nyanga to check (i dont know what).

Before my mom could even utter a word, the sangoma/nyanga looked at me increduously and said he wonders why I was there coz I am meant to be dead from the accident I jus had. I was like O_O????!!!! This is someone from outta town from where we stay, and he couldnt have known all that.
So when he consulted his bones, it came out that apparently, a relative had “put a death spell on me” and I was supposed to die in that horrific accident. Err…

I had collided with a truck on the freeway – even the truck driver couldnt believe I had walked out of that steering wheel of that super-wrecked vehicle, when I came up to him to ask for his details. I found him speaking in tongues, deep in shock – for he thought he had killed me coz of the impact.

The sangona/nyanga we went to even gave a name of a person who had wished this on me with muti, and the name of my ancestor who saved me from this happening. The jury is still out though.

So all I know is he knew what had happened before we told. The question is HOW DEMET???!!

But what I know for sure is GOD is good. It wasnt my time yet.

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:37 am 



I am not one to tell people what to believe in. Everyone has some kind of belief working for them. all i know from my side is that, Jesus is theee only option for my life. I tried these sangoma’s ka hlaba uncountable times and nothing worked for me, my life did not come together, relationships, jobs, relationship with friends, home matters, womb matters (i’ve been told by doctors that there is no way i can have a child. Through Jesus, i have a beautiful daughter who will be born soon and she is healthy) etc, until i found Jesus, everything just fell into place, it was so amazing. With badimo i find that everything is too complicated for me, and what i hated the most is that i was always in fear. I get a migrane, banloya, my boyfriend leaves, ba ya nloya, motho o ya nyakeng,o lora hampe, you go to the sangoma. It is horrible to live in fear shame.When I am I feel that certain things are not going my way, Sangoma will tell me, hey wena, you must slaughter a cow/sheep/chicken if you dont do that, you will experience hell on earth, your ancestors are angry. But when i go to God, he says, do not fear for I am with you..need I say more. There is peace in God, fear in our traditional thingies….

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:44 am 



I agree with you LeeLove! I think thats where you hear Christians saying “you are judging me”. The problem is that we don’t want to be corrected! When you are being corrected you call it judgement. I’ve seen almost naked women on Facebook who pose with minis, bras & underwears only and they claim they are born again Christians! Like which God are you serving really that encourages you to entice men and cause them for fall! Yes there’s Grace but its not a licence to sin but a victory over sin!

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:44 am 



@ meisie1 I couldn’t agree more.

One sangoma who is friends le my ma must have been feeling really good one day coz she told my ma hore sometimes when there’s nothing to eat at her house she tells people they need to be cleansed with chickens even when they don’t really have to. Just for the food.

Thapelo24 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:46 am 



One thing I don’t like is when this prophets and sangomas blackmail you to join their church or come to consult them in their little stinking huts by telling you your beloved family members are going to die if you don’t do 1,2,3
I once went to a funeral of a relative(2005) who was a ZCC member then some guy came and told me to come to some room where I was told my sister is going to die within 3weeks and for her not to die we had to go to Moria and all that, we never did that. My sister is still alive today… Last year while i was at another funeral another prophet tried to call me to give me ditaelo, i just whispered to him ‘voetsek!’

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:48 am 



@LeeLove, it’s confusing shem and whenever family is implicated in these things it’s very hard to be rational. It took me being haunted by demons and witches to realise that i did not want to get drawn into this dark spiritual underworld life.
My sangoma would tell me i was stubborn because i did not want go futha – i hated it!! I would try to imagine myself in a spa, but it was so darned hot in there with those heavy plastics ne ke dronkega, felt like I would fall into the prima-stove. So one day i was like enough is enough, if i die so be IT, it will be God’s will and guess what happened.

My sangoma was right about one thing, nothing beats prayer full stop and it’s very cheap. Try prayer, consult God first and see what happens, maybe he is trying to draw you closer to him instead and this is how he is getting your attention.

Di sangoma always threaten people with death in the family – always before you know it, you are addicted to fortune telling, next thing you must somehow go find a rare porcupine testicle that costs like R7000.00… you wont find it but he can?!! Steer clear my dear.

Piggybacks on @meisie!’s comment. lol. Mara boloyi bo teng and bo blind sterek!!

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:49 am 



Lol Thapelo!

Oh1One on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:58 am 



I also believe in God and ancestors. I believe that Jesus Christ like Muhammad, like Shembe (and maybe like Lekganyane as well?) are prophets. So, like JC was sent to the Jews, the other prophets were sent to other people. But it’s true, whatever works for you.

@ the end of the day those of us that believe in God, are praying to the same God/Jehovah/Allah.

Let’s free our minds people.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:59 am 



LeeLove what do you mean by Christians who hide behind having a personal relationship with God? People are having a decent conversation here without bashing each other.

Yes being a Christian does not mean we do not sin I would think people know that by now. But we a Christian because we believe in the death and resurection of Jesus and choose to embrace the love he showed us by dying on the cross for us. Christianity is not about do’s and dont’s but it’s about following in the footstep of Christ and allowing Him to give us the grace not to sin. It’s about spreading the gospel of Christ to those who don’t know Him and to spread the message of love.Because we are born into sin,even after repentace it becomes difficult to not sin hence we need the grace of Jesus everyday.

I have a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ and that is the best decision I have ever made in my life. If I were to write my testimony about Christ’s goodness in my life I would have to write a book. I know for sure that my redeemer lives,because I have seen His works ima life. There is so much to the sprit world than we could ever imagine. Like someone said I have my own belief of why when people consult sangomas they will be told the “truth” but with deep spiritual things of God and the devil I’d rather discuss them on a relevent platform so that is why I choose to not even go there.

Vesa on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 10:59 am 



I once read an article, where the writer said “African ancestors must be the most greedy of all ancestors in the world, as they always want cows & goats slaughtered umqombothi (sp), etc regardless of the family’s financial standing”. And I agreed with this.

My grandfather was a priest and we all grew up the christian way. The ancestor & inyanga world is all foreign to me. I remember when I grew up, my aunts would go to inyangas ho ilo itlhola as they called it. And they always came back with weird stories, but my grandparents were very firm in their beliefs and never allowed any rituals to be performed. To this day, life in my eyes is normal and nothing seems tampered with. Lol

Glendoza on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:02 am 



Jellytot, well put, I believe in that system too,,, my ancestors are my angels and that God is the supremebeing that knows everything and why they happen….

Opposite on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:03 am 



I belive as God is my protector my wisdon to fullfil my deepest hunger for life my bond with him is spiritual, all i need to do i jus live with humanity and respect every person n my goals n the will to do good and affect ppl arnd me even beyond my expectaction n wld be in the good light of God to bless me always.. i dnt go to church its not because i dnt believe and i dnt believe in going to a sangoma bt i do believe there are ppl who are blessed by God with the wisdom to instill good faith hence ppl go to church go to sangoma’s prophets bt my prayer is more powerful than wht any1 cld ever tell me so i jus read my bible believe to find knowledge.. but i dnt believe that both practice are wrong.. as they both believe in God bt the their practice are different as much all Christians critises other churches.. that’s my take sori for the paragraph..Good 1 Mabl.. N hi to all JC blogger’s damn i digg this site though i prefer reading than…

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:04 am 



@ Meisi… that great…

As all have said,is You are what you believe in…some people believe in izinyanga and it works for them some are staunch Christians mara they are poor…

At the end of the day,there is the dark side…prophesying is a gift from God and just as well the devil can ‘reveal’ things to you and if you believe they will happen they will sure do…

And in the same token,the dark world does exist… African stuff have always been badly packaged …Astrolgy,guradian angels,statues and pics some churches pray to,etc are all the belong in the same thing…

Vesa on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:04 am 



Last year while i was at another funeral another prophet tried to call me to give me ditaelo, i just whispered to him ‘voetsek!’

@Thapelo….kwaaaa!!!!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:07 am 



@ Opposite *since u here* someone asked about a comment you made,I think how does a guy know that a chick hashad s*x ealier on,something like that or a loose vjj *can’t remember*

Oh1One on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:08 am 



Remember the bible was written by man. It says a lot of good things but…

“Who was King James?
And why did he think it was so vital to remove chapters and make his own
version of the Bible” ~ Talib Kweli

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:09 am 



Mmm, thanks@ MaBlerh For the article

everything we know was passed down to us by our parents/grandparents etc and whether we are following the ways of our customs correctly (nobody really knows).

If u talk to anyone of the elders ,There’ no mention of how /where Bo Sangoma began…. all you get is Sangomas where at a sometime in the past Thee most important people in any tribe, they counseled chiefs and they were most respected, but over time, WE(darkies) have found a way of tarnishing our own culture by making uk’twasa a money making scheme that does not benefit anyone but the “sangoma” and using what is meant for Good , for own selfish reasons e.g: …same thing with Muthi…..what was used to cure/heal is now being used to break-up families and bring back lost lovers etc!!

I am grateful that my grandmother + great grandmother died at a very old age, so a few of the bakubung customs where passed down to me and a few things were explained, such as :Mesebetsi/ceremonies

Sure , you hear stories about “a cold and hungry aunt who wants beer + meat, but does it really mean that the deceased will come and eat that meat and beer with us…..? no……..but you know what happens during these ceremonies……a family comes together to share a meal…..to talk about the family/to talk with each other and to reunite with those that they haven’t seen in a while…. in a way….this our own kind-of thanksgiving(without the turkey)

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:10 am 



I mean gurdian angels of dead people watching over you when the bible clearly states,when you are dead u are dead and have no business with the living…how is this any different to madlozi?

SilentnoMore on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:12 am 



I think the article by Mabhler is clear in higlighting what is clearly evident in both Christinanity and Tradition, i.e. imikhuba. Both have rotten apples that discredit the belief system, as people have pointed out their personal experiences. Where we have churches springing up from nowhere having tents (as churches) requesting people to do x y and z in order to gain gods favour, and likewise izangamo/izinyanga requesting exorbitants fees for their services etc. Be that as it may all the clutter and charades aside, in its core there is a belief system (whichever you follow) which you believe is your path to connecting with your higher power (call him what you will, we all have some sort understanding with, I call him Bra G, and he is cool with it). What I’m saying is that there is no one path to God, as evidence by the different and varying religions and traditions in the world, we all just need to find our own… on another note though someone mentioned that they would rather believe in nothing…I tend to disagree with this notion, as I think one of the distinctions (I think) between us and other godly creatures is that ability, over and above mere instinct etc, is the ability to hope and believe in the unknown, just pick a camp, tweak it here and there, but there we all have a spiritual dimension that cannot be ignored that needs nourishment over and above dietary nourishmnet…#team no judgmnent#

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:13 am 



@ Oh1One and the Bible clearly state in NT that those that have added or removed from the word God will deal with them-Guess King James missed this part *cues Maditaba to find the verse*

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:15 am 



@ Miss_Tshidi… though I do not practice traditional customs,I do however believe they worked in the days gone by… Everything cultural,spiritual,christian or traditional has lost its value and caused many to be doubtful cos money and greed has come into the equation…

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:16 am 



@@LETEBELe….I So feel you “:We are christians too and that’s why we always invite God to be with us before we consult,as he is the beginning and the end.

as much as we PRAY…GOD OF ABRAHAN/GOD OF ISAAC AND GOD OF MOSES….cant we also say GOD OF MALOME SPITLO ANG NKgONO MAPULE ?

Bee on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:25 am 



So well written that i feel like its short. Well for me both amasiko&the bible have no meaning to me. I only believe in the Lord period. I communicate directly with Him. And thats working better for both of us.

Hehehe how come isangoma thats poor poor poor she/he even sleeps hungry every night but can help better your financials. Mnxm i dont know whether abantu badom na yazi. Just thot of uMhinga on Intersexions. Lol

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:26 am 



Point of correction: we do not all pray to the same God.

Curvy on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:26 am 



Thanx @MaBlerh for the article, it is a sensitive topic but in my opinion these things work together…ekhaya siyaphahla but we communicate with ancestors through God. I’m not deep into both beliefs kodwa I follow them either way. I tend to question the bible a lot tho. Kwaa @Miss_Tshidi!!!!

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:26 am 



Lela I wasn’t bashing anyone. I’m sorry u chose to see it that way. I didn’t read the rest of your comment let me do that now.

MaBlerh on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:26 am 



Here’s a little story: In 2005, I started having hectic heart palpitations. It was so hectic that it blurred my vision. I was certain that it was the end of me. One night it got so hectic that my mom had to call her prayer partners (she is born-again). They were all convinced that I’m possessed. I had to go to a physician and have a full blood count done to check for any illness. My cousin came over and picked me and took me to a Sangoma. This woman told me that it was my step mom that gave me something to eat in a dream. The reason why I’m not dead was because my grandma is blocking the effects of this “muti”. I had to engage in the most twisted of things like drinking some concoction and vomiting on a river bank in the wee hours of the morning. Some things are just too embarrassing and dark to mention. I had to have two of my precious molars removed because of the decay caused by all the vomiting.

2 weeks later, I had to go back to varsity. A friend of mine suggested that I might have chronic anxiety and that I should try Rescue Med. It is R32 at any pharmacy over the counter. Guess what, it worked! With the help of a friend who is a psychologist, I have learnt to control them without taking anything. This is after spending money on Sangomas,Physicians and abathandazi. All I needed to spend was R32 at a pharmacy!

hlobi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:29 am 



I really enjoyed reading this one. Thanks Mablerh.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:32 am 



Yes MissT you can pray like that if you know that they believed in God and now you want to remind God what He did for them you know He can do for me. Like mina I can say “Thixo wooTatomkhulu” cause I know all my grandfathers served God and only God till they died hence we have no idea of how these ancestoral things are done cause they made it clear that we must never. People must understand that we don’t say that there are no ancestors or we can’t acknowledge or even go to clean their graves or even miss them but Christianity is agains ancestoral worship because of the verse that Blessing has quoted and also because of wisdom that tells them that umtu ofileyo ngeke akwenzele niks.

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:38 am 



To answer u Lela:

I did not mean that christians don’t sin. Nor did I mean they shouldn’t. Everyone knows that they do I’m sure, otherwise God would have nothing to forgive.

What I meant is when people do things that they know are wrong and can resist doing and when that is brought they say “u don’t know what kind of relationship I have with my God” as if their God somehow understands and accepts that they will always commit this sin on purpose and somehow their special relationship exempts them from following certain rules.

I know christianity isn’t about do’s and donts but there is definitely an element of that because certain acts are forbidden. Others are encouraged and expected. But that’s not all the relationship is about I know.

Maybe the way I posed the Q wasn’t the best way. But I think it’s quite a stretch for u to say I’m bashing coz if I am then a lot of people have.

TheSushiQueen on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:44 am 



Death by “This is the same girl that was buried in a R2500 casket (in 1992) and this casket went into the ground with a double-ply mink blanket.” LOL! Wow.. *no comment on the R2500 Casket in 1992*

SilentnoMore on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:45 am 



Haayike I disagree with Mabhler’s simplistic view of his “cure” for his condition…If I’m not mistaken, I think even modern science agrees that the healing process is holistic in nature and not just a sympton-medicince-cure eqaution…that is why people given exactly the same health treatment for the same illness, where one survives and the other dies, there is that element of belief in the medicine. I am by no way suggesting that you believed the R32 medicine better than the other costly alternatives that you had to endure, however, someone in the very same situation (like myself for example, was ‘cured’ by a sangoma). I think doctors have even gone as far to conclude that children are much more resilient in hectic operation etc and recover quicker because of that added advantage they have over adults, i.e. hope and belief…that is if you tell a kid they will be better more often than not they believe you…Also on the same ‘belief: tip, it explains the workings of placebos, when a doctor gives you an ineffective pill and he tells you it would cure your migrane for example, if you believe it it works, but if you have your doubts etc then it will be just that, ineffectual…#signalling the sangoma in the pic: *sings* indaba kabani umandilahlum’lenze#

Sunkissed on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:50 am 



Good Article Mablarch mina I graduated and was nt employed for 6months and my boyfriend suggested i go 2 umuntu obonayo/singoma to see why am not getting a job maybe amadlozi.2 months afta he’d said dat I got an internship without doing what he had suggested. But i think it goes by what you believe in and da way okhiliswe ngayo!

Dsaint on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:59 am 



If it means to “see” God we ve to go via Jesus, does it means that our ancestors who were not aware Crist are going to hell. Are all these Hindus, Muslims, Jews and abo wht, wht, wht going to hell.

For me a bit of both works for me, I do go to izinyanga and what, wht but I do the normal cleansing after death of the relative and the likes….I go to church, pray to Jesus and and God.

Well they say if u go to church you must only listen to wht the Pastor is saying and not wht the congregation is doing….but most often than not these “holy” ones I find them doing most disgusting acts dan than the “not holy one”

I beilive as long as I have some sort of guidance and belief which doesnt send me killing, stealing, hurt people and the likes ngisharp.

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:04 pm 



I sense this: “come-judgemnet day…….heaven will be Empty!

ThatoM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:04 pm 



Lela says “ungaphela ngababantu bahalela inyama notjwala” *dead* lol. @Mmaditaba askies nana

Opposite on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:11 pm 



I had an accident with my car bt i thank God i’m still breathing bt whn i went home i ws told it ws because of evil spirits.. now i’m getting another car bt i’m nw so scared of driving worse i’m been pressure that i shld consult a sangoma gore ba ethege(the car that is) else i wld see flame’s n i’m thnkin shld i go to church nw that i need sumthing doesn’t that make me a hypocrite(based on hw i hv carried my life) or shld i go to a sangoma(worse i might came back bin told my aunti or some1 in the fam might hv done something to me n nxt thing i’m full of hatred )bt nw i’m so terrified i ve been praying so i cld let go of the fear bt i’m still scared.. any advice.

Vesa on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:13 pm 



@SilentnoMore….it all boils down to Faith.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:21 pm 



@ Dsaint…I do believe in the existence of Jesus but I also asked the same question and no one has answered,is it to say God chose to reveal himself only to one race and one religion?

@ Lela…I think thats where people get confused… Even the bible mentions many atimes about ancestors,as soon as people here the word ancestor they automatically think amadlozi *in that sense* I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with remembering the dead,cleaning graves,laying flower BUT it should end there not asking them to help or assist you with your life on earth… Even in the bible people will be praying and starting with O God of Moses,Abraham…and why would the bible have God’s ancestors in the bible,if it is wrong to think about them?

Also,though as I mention my immediate family does not do rituals etc I do however feel that people tend to confuse amasiko with worship…for example Jews circumsize their male kids within 8 day of birth,they bury within 24 hours of death,etc but with us darkies people say you worship as soon as you engage in rituals… Though I do not practice,I feel ONLY when its to ward off spirits,protection,etc thats where the problems starts…

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:25 pm 



@ Opposite… My advice,is pray for the fear…the more you fear the likely the accident will occur even if there is no human hand or devil at work… From what my mum always says,the problem with helears,soothsayers,clairvoyance,astrology,as soon as you consult it wont end there and ukhumbule they have their own spirits that will create situations and explainations to you… Guys the devil was once an Angel.

MashDiva on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:29 pm 



Interesting article, dont agree with though. Every persons experience varies and that determines our belief sytem. MaBlerh at least you know what works and doesnt work for you. I personally dont think I could choose between the two and I would think its unfair to separate the traditions and religion, the two co exists beautifully in my life and none is superior then the other. I pray before I do any ancestral or traditional customs and always gives thank to God and Badimo

Opposite on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:41 pm 



@ MiSSaN tx.. the spirit knws the spirit wld drive me ~pun intended n @ ur sex ? i might b wrong bt its veri relevant

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:41 pm 



singing ??Bophelo ke wena feela, empa batho ha ba tsebe ba lahlehetswe, ke tsela, ba kgelositswe ke sebe.??

skoko86@gmail.com on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:42 pm 



Religion nidz 2 work only 4 th Believer, dats th Most Important thing.
Abt Ppl askng, “how can u ask 4 sumthn from ppl wu wer poor?” (referin 2 ancestaz).
Nw tel me if JC, ALLAH, RASTAFARI, PROF MUHAMED… were Stinking Rich…
Dnt Judge Religionz. If u nt Part of it, then it will never work 4 u. Those who Believe, get the Reward.
(th Reward m tokng abt z not xtra zeroes in ur Acc)

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:42 pm 



I meant Jesus’ ancestors… I still think African spirituality has always been badly packaged…Pharmaceuticals that we rely so much on are there one making money from traditional medicines the same inyangas give people…

People will not feel bad going to a palm reader,clairvoyant,buy a fortune cookie,read their star signs,do reiki,read the secret and all this new age books,do reiki,release their energy,do yoga,lavitate,etc mara not di Sangoma or if they do,they lie about consulting…

FunkyFK on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:43 pm 



Where do I begin, most people have said it. Im also christian, I believe in the written word. I do have ancestors the only difference is I DO NOT APPEASE them. They are dead, they know nothing and they can never do anything to me or for me. Their Love, HATE is gone.

The difference between Jesus and the other prophets, is that JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN. and NOW SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF GOD INTERCEDING FOR ME.

Clever D on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:45 pm 



You claim 2 have grown up exposed to both worlds ‘christianity & tradition’, but u failed 2 clearly pin-point that which is questionable in the christianity side of things as u’ve done on with the tradition side. So your questioning is clearly unbalanced.

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:46 pm 



@Ms_AN ….Guys the devil was once an Angel….*EISH/KANA*

*joins Meisise singing ??Bophelo ke wena feela,?? empa batho ha ba tsebe ba lahlehetswe?? ke tsela ?? ba kgelositswe ke sebe????

Sterimilk on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:46 pm 



I think sum peeps r confusing isangoma n ancestors, cultural beliefs do not revolve around izangoma ewe if u do have a problem u might go 2 isangoma for guidance bt that doesn’t mean ur beliefs r dependent on their views

I also belief dat whatever is gonna come my way will reveal itself 2 me nt via umntu endingamazi n most of the time abantu consult izangoma kuba befuna iclarity ngoba somethings r just complicated nje…and if u r patient like me u’ll pray 2 God 2 guide u up until leyonto iziveze, no need 2 consult isangoma.

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:51 pm 



these traditional things lack logic sometimes. i mean, why would my grandmother who loved me more that anything on earth, who would die before anybody touched me, block me from having children just because they she wants me to slaughter her a chicken before she can allow me to have children? instead of protecting me, she blocks my blessings? I am sorry I can never understand the logic behind that, I would expect her to protect me and make sure that I have everything I need..that I dont lack anything, not for her to be the one who enjoys to see me unhappy…I just dont get that!

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:54 pm 



and just because of a chicken nogal??Haibo!Is that chicken more important than my happiness?

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 12:57 pm 



@ CleverD… yekela uMabler,he has covered Christianity and how he feels it contradicts itself,the topic was about traditional.

@ Miss-Tshidi…that is what people forget,my pastor once said people assume the devil to look ugly and all BUT he says,he thinks he looks like how an angel should look like and not the the long tailed,horned,fork carrying thing we see and as such he has powers to create and ‘reveal’ things to people…He is the darkness and the King of darkness…We must pray as @Sterimilk that visions,dreams,prophesies we ‘see’ or ‘hear’ from ourselves or from others are of the Holy Spirit…and not dismiss it all as either good or bad…

@FunkyF that where people confuse the issue,even somewhere in the bible there are Jesus’ ancestors but God clearly states that we should not take up in events that are for the dead.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:03 pm 



@ Meisie… because the devil has similar powers to God,he will use ‘visions’,'dreams’,'situations’ and so that you certain that it is the reason… and do not forget,when one spills blood knowingly or unknowingly ie goats,chickens,etc it id for Lucifer.In the NT that practice of slaughtering animals is done away with…

@ Miss_Tshidi… people tend to forget that. Though God is Supreme the devil also has powers.It is important that we are able to differentiate ‘visions’,'dreams’,'messages’,etc whether they are from God or the devil.

SilentnoMore on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:05 pm 



@Vesa yes, and faith is not something that is objective that can be poked at with well thought out and reasoned arguments…We just believe, not caring about the why, how and where and when…I believe it will happen…that is faith! Which is why people start wars and all sort of things in the name of faith, because they belive in the truth of their ways and that their faith will guide them…

twiggs on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:07 pm 



I don’t church or believe in ancestors and will remain like that until I die.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:10 pm 



Yes MissAn that’s another thing, Christians end up neglecting or rejecting their tradition because of the stereotype that anything african is unGodly,that’s bull, as long as whatever tradition you are observing is not against the word of God then you are fine.
I get you LeeLove but the bottom line is we do sin whether aware or unaware and that does not change the personal relationship with God. For instance wena as a mere human being may see my struggle with whatever sin as rebelion whereas between me and God He knows how much I sincerely pray for it and try to leave it.

Mababez on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:21 pm 



Until this article I was on crossroads. I have never been to a sangoma before but was SEROUISLY thinking about it, especially these past few weeks. In the past it was usually very easy for me to get a new job. But I don’t know what changed, I’ve been looking for a better, higher paying job for 2 yrs now. I go to interviews but I dont get the jobs. Hence me thinking let me try something different & go to a sangoma for help. A friend sent me numbers for a few sangomas to call & go see but I’ve been stalling. I live in JNB CBD & if you read the Daily Sun classifieds you’ll see that these prophets & sangoma’s are in every corner. So I was thinking maybe ngihhabula these not so holy sprits and they are coming between me & my better job. I wanted to fight fire with fire. After reading JC blogger’s comments I’ve decided to stick to what I know best. Prayer & Faith. Loved mamamia’s comment “My sangoma was right about one thing, nothing beats prayer full stop and it’s very cheap.”

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:23 pm 



Ok Lela

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:26 pm 



@ Lela…its funny how the X generation will not worship ancestors mara they will worship celebs,do what they do,be influenced by the music,dress code,lifestyle…

Bheka abo Christmad Father *kasi term*,Cupid,faries,elves,etc those have been package darn well. People need to read their bibles and see what it is within the cultural context is not in conflict with God’s laws.

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:29 pm 



Mabebez everything has it’s time those jobs simply aren’t meant for u. When u get the step up u want u will realise what God had been leading u to and that it’s better than everything u wanted before.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:29 pm 



@ Mabebez… You have my life…I am not doing great in my life and to be honest I can choose the easy route,be an Alexis but I choose to wait for mt time and God’s time…I absolutely believe greatness and accomplishment is mine and I will not have to ukugcaba,drink stuff,slaughter chickens or bath in stuff BUT because of God’s mercy and my own hard work.

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:31 pm 



My cousin used to bleed a lot with his nose.One day his mother took him to a Sangoma who made him bleed on some sponge and he never bled from that day.Few years later,he became born again.the day he accepted Jesus as his personal saver,he bled so much that he got sick.The pastors prayed for him but it ddnt stop that he had to be taken to hospital.They managed to stop it but his still bleeds even today.

Now my question is was the ancestors route working for him or Satan is just trying ot put doubts in his head??

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:31 pm 



@ LeeLove… It is soooo darn hard,I do not even know what I have to say in my prayers anymore,going for interviews for positions I really want to make a career off and an inbox of reject email even for lousy positions of being a clarke???

manny on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:39 pm 



eish nna im confused ..at home theres just isiphithi phithi….
one day we are slaughtering sheep and chickens the next days we are christians …
it depend on my moms moods ..and when i dont wanna participate im told that my education has run to my head..so i just smile and go along ..
but i seriously dont think some broke dead nigg@ can make me rich or bring me luck ..
i need to work hard..

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:40 pm 



leLa,like I always tell my dad,I will do any traditional thing if they can give me a valid reason to do it.I do not understand why must I put a black cloth on my left arm after a death in my family.I still dnt understand why we should cut everyone’s her when they “wash sesila” as they call it.I dnt understand why must my child wear strings on her waist after she is born.I dnt understand why should we cut my childs hair after she is born.I understand that the stone we put on my grand parents graves was to make sure we remember where they are buried not that they are cold.I understand that some sicknesses can be cured by traditional healers not sangomas or medical drs.

All I am saying is Africans have made this traditions not to make sense to us cause nobody wants to explain why we doing them.One of my dads uncles was angry when I refused to be washed with cows dung and my hair cut after a funeral that he disowned me,I still dnt care cause he has never given me a cent or adviced me on anything,as long as my parents are proud of me.Lets teach our children this things so we know how to answer our children when they ask us questions…

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:44 pm 



Lmao @Thato.M kekwatile hampe mara i blv its 4 a good reas0n that i didnt c0mment coz this is so personal for me.@MissAn i refrain from gving a verse cause Mablerh said we shouldnt do that. And if i do that people will scream ‘you’re judgng!’

#GodISLove ..i love my Jesus,it just hurts to read people flaunting His Holy name with lies.

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:45 pm 



I know MissAN. I just got a job after just a few months after completing my course. A couple of days into it I get sick and can’t go to work for a few days and during those few days I get replaced. I’m frustrated coz not even the doc is saying anything that makes sense to me. So I know the frustration of looking with no luck.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:53 pm 



@ Maratahelele…. Its a pity my immediate family has not done all that you have mentioned…someone mentioned that African culture has been a word of mouth and not well documeted hence most of our traditions do not make sense but if you were to sit down with a 80 year old and be told why certain things are done or perfomed it actually makes logic and sense…From what I know *please those that know can correct me* To answer your questions that do not make sense

1)the black clothe on ur left arm is simply a signal that someone in ur family has past,long ago when people had ubuntu strangers and your community will offer you food and other neccessities as it might be assummed that maybe the breadwiner has died,etc it was really for assistance. Same as ukuzila,women wearing mourning clothes…what do Western civilation have insubstitute for this…Trust Accounts & donations…

2)The cutting of the hair after a child turns one,is those that have kids know that baby hair either falls off and its simply for new and strong hair to grow on that head..

3)The eskom cables,I do not know

4)The cutting of the hair to wash sesila,I also do not why the reason.

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 1:57 pm 



I even went for a job interview where this old businessman offered to give a job, make me a shareholder (so I could be the BEE front) and set me up with whatever as long as I was willing to work hard and keep him “company” coz he’s lonely.

But I couldn’t I imagined my dad just turning in his grave thinking “is this what my daughter has become”

I’m trying to start my own business now coz I need something to distract me from these feelings of helplessness.

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:02 pm 



So MissAnn,in other words,the cloth thing is not relevant today cause nobody really cares if someone died from your family or not.As for cutting hair,I ahve seen so many kids who have never cut their hair and it looks very fine.White people hardly cut their kids hair until they are older and it is fine.this baby hair business seems to happen to black kids only I guess.

I wish they wrote this things down and updated them with time cause this things dnt make sense today…

Jellytot on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:07 pm 



You know what annoys me? The portrayal of Jesus being blonde and blue eyed. Those pictures make me mad. Cos he definitly had dark hair and eyes. Look where he was born! Geographically speaking

manti on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:08 pm 



if ufunda uMshumayeli 9:5,10 “5 Ngoba abaphilayo bayazi ukuthi bayokufa; kodwa abafileyo bona abazi lutho, futhi abasenawo umvuzo, ngoba ukukhunjulwa kwabo sekulibalekile.

Konke isandla sakho esikutholayo ukuba sikwenze, kwenze ngawo wonke amandla akho, ngoba akukho msebenzi namacebo nalwazi nakuhlakanipha eShiyoli, indawo oya kuyo.

*** Umuntu masele efile ufile, there’s no way ukuthi abuye azo demander ukwenzelwa umsebenzi…

solman on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:10 pm 



everyone is coming from households that thought you one way or the other or both. so i think everyone needs to follow what works for them and make sure you dont confuse things and most importantly dont confuse yourself…as for me i come from a family that prays, and at the same time do traditional work/rituals…but dont follow sangomas…for instance we are anglicans.we go to church in the morning and from church we do traditional work the ancestors before we start we pray.we slaughter, sheep,goat or cows but never slaughter chickens for traditional work. we could start with any of the but its we the traditional there’s alcohol so thats why comes last so we can get drunk…basicly what i’m saying i see no difference between the two, there’s no evil no magic,just positive belief…we all need to believe to something .

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:10 pm 



JellyTot,Im sorry but I think the skin colour of jesus debate is just childish.Why does it matter if Jesus was Blue or Black or Meroon??How does it change who he was and what he stood for??People will miss the kingdom of the LORD just cause they are concentrating on petty issues…

Mababez on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:10 pm 



Eish… you can say that again MsAnn it is difficult. I’ve also slowed down on the prayers coz I’ve truly prayed my pleas out. I do get consolation that I do have job, im not in debt and pay for all my expenses.

LizM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:11 pm 



Very interesting article MaBlerh
I enjoyed reading everyone’s comments. What i’d like to know is why is it that some people are questioning the bible??

Soweto23 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:12 pm 



I totally agree with you Marata. Our parents are so defensive! You ask one question you get the look!

But its the same with ‘religious; folk, I’m talking about people who memorize the Bible but don’t have a relationship with God! If you ask why God is doing something, instead of saying they don’t know they give you a bunch of scriptures that just leave you with more questions. That’s why I’ve learned that nobody is supposed to get me but God! So if I have a question I go to Him direct and He will answer in His own way at His own time!

@ MissAN (answering your question) its like asking why God made you you? Why are you not white, living somewhere in New Zealand? God in His infinite wisdom decides who, where and why. I would encourage you to ask Him direct love and be patient!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:15 pm 



@ LeeLove… this is some scary stuff…your life and mine right now,except the BEE guy stuff,udom @Alexis has a 1Series Coupe,bills paid,apartment,travel,part director…Lol,I guess thats where our difference in values and consciences come to play…I sometimes think not haveing a 9-5 job is actually a sign that I should be in business,I am after whats not in my destiny…

@ Maratahelele…yes,thats why we have hungry orphans that no one wants to look after but are exploiting…Yes the hair will grow well but it might have been a sign of appreciation that the child has lived long enough,remember in those time there was a high infant mortality rate…

@ Jellytot…that cloth on the cross?who would be beaten up and spat on would still have a cloth and not have any scars?? sign or respect to portray Jesus on the cross…

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:17 pm 



Lol @Maratahelele,i remember when id just had a baby the things that people were advising me,from halmnas for protection to some lawu that takes out nyoni that no one could explain what it was and i would just tell them “my God is bigger than halmans or some lawu concortion.”

To those who wanna put their faith in Gid,be encouraged,God is never late nor early when your time comes you will be amazed by how much He can bless you,He has not forgotten you,He is just building a character in you, Like I said if I were to share my testimony kungagcwala incwadi so my sisters just know that I’m talking from experience. You will find the right job in God’s time and you will know why he had to make you wait this long. MissAn I know exactly what you mean by those rejection emails even from an admin post but it is because God knows the job that you deserve,keep sending cvs and going to interviews and you day will soon come.

SushiAndLipstick on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:24 pm 



My mother doesn’t believe in ancestors, neither do we (her children) but my grandmother does, and when she does a ceremony for ancestors, we don’t eat the food or help prepare it, we cook our own. I really don’t see the logic in praying to abaphansi. I believe in God, and I’ve established a relationship with my Creator that is not influenced by human beings. Things like religion are created by man based on the agendas they want to push.

I will say though that I have no qualms with traditionalists or theologists and Christians, to each his own. Whatever works for you does exactly that, it works for YOU!

LeeLove on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:27 pm 



@MissAN sometimes I think vele I’m an idiot yazi lol. But I can’t imagine having a man older than my dad on top of me.

After I got replaced I thought long and hard about why I even got that chance and the conclusion I came to was this: before then my friend and I had been thinking about what kind of business could we start. And when I got that job and learned more about what they do and how they do it I thought damn why didn’t I think of that? So I think God was giving me an idea and now I have to act on it coz vele being in business for myself has always been my big dream. I’ve just never known what to do and thanx to that small opportunity I learned about an industry that isn’t saturated in our country that I didn’t know existed before that I’m pretty sure I could excel in so maybe it’s a blessing.

Maratahelele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:31 pm 



Guys,I dnt get something here.Just cause I dnt understand Muslims,does it mean I should not eat their food when they celebrate some Alah thingy??Peeps like Sushi are saying they dnt attend relatives “Mpho tsa Badimo” nor eat the food,kanti what is wrong in supporting relatives who have a different believe system??When you eat their food,does it really mean you agree with what they are doing or just eating food nje??

Sometimes Christians especially Born Again Christians can be very judgmental.I dnt see anything wrong with eating the food nor going there as relatives,as long as they know you wont be involved in any ritual that takes place during that,like sniffing “Ntsu” or “babatoni”…

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:32 pm 



@ Lela…indaba yenyoni..Lol…I do not have a problem with tradition that is out of respect,rituals,etc mara as soon as it for protection,ward off spirits,luck or dead people then I will not participate…

Tell me about it,gosh…Ende zisho zilandelana…I have even resigned at my current ‘job’ and going home…I even resent Johannesburg hence I did not even come down on Alexis like a ton of bricks cos really now,looking at my life having a sponsor ala Zida wont be such a bad idea shem…Mara we get up and fight…

@Sowet023…I will not blame it all on God’s wisdom,I think partly I am to blame,made wrong or ill informed choices along the way…Que sara sara… I am so fustrated and angry at myself…Its like only when u are asleep u find rest…I can not wait for this year to end…

@LizM…what wrong with ?ng the bible?I am certain God does not want us to be sheep hence we were given intelligence so we can be curios and yearn for His word and His ways…

Letebele on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:52 pm 



@ LeeLove: please ask your mom to do what she’s asked and take your brother to see the healer. Please.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:56 pm 



Maratahelele it is because the bible says Christians should not eat foot offered to idols but it does go on to explain that for the purpose of not offending people like you who do not understand then one can eat. I’m too lazy to look for that scripture but I think it’s in Corinthians.

SilentnoMore on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:57 pm 



@manti and marathahelele, i think it is unwise to make a comparison and reasoning based on what works on white people@marathahelele…going with the hair analogy thing…using o dark and lovely what what on black people’s hair works and does the job, but I’m sure it would make most white people bald because of the harshness of the chemical vis a vis the texture of their hair…what i’m saying essentially is that what is good for the gooose is not necessarily good for the gander in all instances…ASIFANI! @Manti…that scripture you have quoted hurts me, as it is a reminder of how all of this “confusion” and apparent identity crises that seem to be rife especially amongst us black people. The colonial strategy was (pardon me for the digression) to bring in the missionaries clothe in all that is holy and armed with the bible, particularly that very scripture and win over the ‘savages” (yes we known as that not so long ago) and teach them the ways of the Lord…we were ‘things’ that needed to clothed and civilised and made acceptable human beings (lets not get into the subjugation BS that was in the name of the same Bible), we were taught to disown centuries and centuries of old age traditions and ways of life (amongst other things, lets not forget land wealth etc) in order to be ‘civilised’…I’m sorry but that was a hefty price, and we did. Unfortunately what is left of our traditions is not as ‘pure’ as it was before colonisation, but those that had preserved it did what they could under the circumstances…At one point umuntu ofile was not merely that, but is, as I understand it, closer to God’s buxom…and frankly the belief is (simplified) is that the more ears closer to God that can assist you in your plights or your joys etc are better than none, hence the rituals, as they are a medium of communication, as is prayer to God. Let us not get bogged down and be pendatic about mere semantics…as at one point we were Kings and Queens with our traditions, and had working systems for trade, justice etc…its not a novel concept that came with the white man…ISINGISI KUPHELA ESAFIKA NGEMIKHUMBI!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 2:59 pm 



@ Lela…and also that we should not concern ourselves with what goes in our mouths but what comes out of it…it really does not give a straight answer but we are left to choose whether to eat or not because how sure are we the food we buy is not manufactured by demons?

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:03 pm 



amen Lela! God has his own time, the one mistake you jobless should neva make is stop praying! 450yearz in captive for israelites didnt stop Abraham fm praying to God.remember ladies God works perfectly with patient faithful people!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:10 pm 



@ SilentNoMore… thank you on the part of about colonists etc…Hence I have asked numerous times why has God chose one race to spread His Word and others have to be redeemed from their sinful way…I know I may be contracdicting myseld but as much as I believe in Christ certain things baffle me… Like I told @Maratahelele… these rituals had logic and reason behind them and its unfortuante they have been diluted soo much they do not make sense…

Religion and Christianity is entwined with control of men and as such even if @JellyTot asked @Maratahelele a question about how Bra J is portrayed as a blue eyed boy,who knows he might have been black mara for what ever masterplan the those that wanted to conquer and control other civilasations at that time it was decided thats the look we should go for… Hence the Da Vinci code might not be the absolute truth is an indication of what Christianity is built on,men who want to control the worl and not serve God’s agenda… Lets be spiritual howver difficult it sometimes is *sings Joko Yaka*

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:14 pm 



Mababez go to pastor Mbhoro!!

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:17 pm 



eish missan that i didnt want to bt u forcing me nw lmao *wisperz the scripture in missan’s ear* (Mathews 15:1-19)

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:20 pm 



This is a controversial topic one with many varied responses according to the personal experiences and faith based beliefs of many. One person’s remedy might be another person’s poison. But i have noted that there is a common factor with religion vs amasiko.
The spritual realm is quite evident in both. Man consist of spirit hence some beliefs that people die and become amadlozi -spiritual beings operating from the netherworld, and God quite obviously is a spritual being by virute of his very own nature operating from the heavens. For either or to work you must apply blind faith -_- since both entities are invisible to the humans in their spirit form.

The devil/satan also is a counterpart to the angels of heaven, a supernatural being operating in the spiritual realm. Take out the human equation (people dying and being burried without super natural powers according to logic) and you left with two super powers on opposing ends.

God vs the devil.
God being truth, love, salvation, grace and favour.
the devil being the opposite, hatred, deceit, wickedness, violence, disease.

Now pick a side!!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:27 pm 



@ The Walking Bible with an ASS… uyabo what I mean people do not read their bibles yet they do things just because the pastor says it is wrong and esp us bazalwane… Thank u @ Maditaba…

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:28 pm 



missan ur ryt u sound confused. By birth we are gentiles yet through jesus our savior with his blood we become saved and thus are then call christians ‘christ-like’ bt thng is wheneva u tel someone ur christian they assume ur perfect.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:34 pm 



@ Mamamia…hence I kept on saying the devil is just as capable of ‘guiding’ us through dreams,visions,messages,signs,prophesies,etc the same way God can do..We just need to ask God to reveal to us whether such is from him or not…

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:35 pm 



@ Maditaba… I mean Christian in the sense that it is a religion…

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:37 pm 



@oh1One for the sake of debate you say:
*Remember the bible was written by man. It says a lot of good things but…
“Who was King James?
And why did he think it was so vital to remove chapters and make his own
version of the Bible” ~ Talib Kweli*

Can i apply the same premise to the ancestors, who are the ancestors and why did they feel it necessary to impose such restrictive beliefs on our culture. Are their motives as innocent as we’d like to assume?

NQOBILENNN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:39 pm 



im a huge believer in both, when i had the dark spirits troubling me my ancestors came thru via impepho and when i have problems beyond my control or i have one of my usual dreams that need explanation God answers my prayers ngokushesha. 4 me amadlozi ami are a vehicle i use 2 communicate better with my creator, ekhaya asihlabi but okubalulekile ukuthi siyakwenza okufanele so im good ngeyami ichoice.

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:41 pm 



Amen Mmaditaba!

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:43 pm 



@ All I think this issue just has many aspects to it that the sun will set and we will be still discussing it…At the end of it all God has given each person to believe in what they want to believe in and most religions and traditions are based on the goodness of men… We can call ourselves Christians mara if we do not follow the laws of God or live in a Christian manner it is all futile… So I am out…

@LeeLove…maybe we have Lebza mum monkey…Lol.

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:46 pm 



mamamia there cn neva be poison in the bible, if you just read it,you’l learn that truth! Hahaha one thng i must say that helpd me here is the sangoma being part of black tradition.i realy thot it was a compulsory part of black tradition.bt nw i knw beta,thanx guys.hape sangomas in ma own ryt are like fortune cookies,horoscopes and that i dnt blv in becoz nly GOD knws ma futures and i refuse to live in fear,id ratha trust in GOd to have my best interests.thatz why he said -’I WILL NEVER LEAVE NOR FORSAKE YOU’

#BUTheyTOeachHISown…love your’ll

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:47 pm 



what I understand from christianity is that…..If you look in the old testament, there are some things that we black people do, slaughtering of animals, circumsition,rules about mensturation etc, but when we did those things, we lived under the law,the law meaning, if you dont do this, you wont get that,if you sinned there is punishment, if you want this make a sacrifice….now moving into the new testament, we were redeemed from the curse of the law, the Lord gave his only son so that he can die for our sins….he shed his blood for us so that we dont have to slaughter anymore…

and about not understanding somethings about christianity, what i know is that, God has sent us a messenger which is the holy spirit – emphasis on the word “spirit”- the spirit of truth to teach us all things, i am emphasising on the word spirit because you have to be in spirit in order to understand things of christianity, if is not possible to understand them while we are in the flesh.

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:53 pm 



“amadlozi ami are a vehicle i use 2 communicate better with my creator”

@NQOBILENNN, I know what you mean….. when i realised that I can talk to God directly on my own, I was astouned! It was then when God answered directly to me that I realised that I dont need the people who have passed away to speak to God on my behalf because he lives within me…

LizM on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:53 pm 



Thank you @MissAnn and I have nothing against reading the bible.
For me when it comes to religion and culture, I’ve always told myself that i should not judge because in today’s world people have their own belief systems.

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 3:55 pm 



One last time…

@Maditaba… mamamia never said anything about the bible being posionous…one person might be anothers remedy…case in point @ Maratahelele asked y & no one has answered him… he went to the healer nose bleeds gone and he becomes born again the nose bleeds return and vice versa with those that have mentioned when they went to healers they experienced problems mara as soon as they found Jesus all is well…

@ Meisie… I think people do not realise that… This slaughtering of animals was the norm for people it so happens some rituals people participate in still do them to this day until Jesus died on the cross and all these laws fell away and the NT gives new laws which are applicable to todays times and situations… Bye all…

MissAN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:00 pm 



@ Meisie…Eish u guys keep bringing me back… @ NqobileNN & Meisie… I stand to be corrected on this, Don’t Catholics also pray through Mary,how is it any different to what NqobileNN is doing and that stuff they burn during funerals how is it any different to impepho…and the pics of Mary?? I do not mean to disrescept Catholics,it is a Christian faith after all.

meisie1 on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:06 pm 



MissAn, unfortunately my sweetheart, i am not catholic, so i cannot give you an answer, I am a “Born again” christian. and frankly I dont believe in praying through Mary..

Mphepho is used to appease the ancenstors, as a christian I do have ancestors but I do not appease them….

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:08 pm 



jammer @mamamia, case in point noted! MisSan dnt u dare go anywhere until Catholics answer u on that one! *hides behind Jesus* #nojudgementMeant

Estee IV WP on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:42 pm 



Religion is very simple, choose what you want to believe and stick to it…..

mamamia on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:51 pm 



@MissAnn thanks for that, i was out of characters!!
@Mmatidaba, you are forgiven

Wow we managed to get through a whole day without hurling insults…. whew! The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Oh i’m also on my way but i also wanted to add, The Old Testament applied to the Jewish nation – mainly – everybody else was a heathen!!! But you hardly see modern day jews slaughtering and making offerings to GOD. So since most Jews do not believe in the messianic Jesus, they should still live under the rule of law, that means they must continually slaughter and make offerings until Kingdom comes literally. People are so fickle by nature, we chose to appease our own ego’s than doing the right thing. I for one am glad i don’t have to do any of that offerings business. The only slaughtering i do is for meat for my belly.

ciao.

philani_c on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 4:57 pm 



religious and traditional practices are strangley simmilar one must not be quick to dismiss either one…both practices encourage u to get closer to the natural world which is interpreted differently depending on what u believe in!!! yes both were created by a person. I always say take or dismiss whatever you want from either one #liveandletlive

lorrelai on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 5:14 pm 



great article. I’d love to read all the comments though, but I cant. have to go home.

I do not believe in worshiping or praying or speaking or doing things for amadlozi. To me, if one is dead, they are dead. No feelings, no consciousness, nada! akasekho, and that’s why ebekwe yedwa egadini or ethafeni. I believe in God and everything that He says. and yes, I have been confused by the bible at some point, but that was because I was not even reading it properly. And I’m not one of those Christians who threaten non-Christians about God smitting them. If i’m in disagreement about something, I simply explain that BIBLICALLY, it is so and so, and therefore as a believer and doer of God’s word.

Funny enough Mablerh, my church elder was talking about the same thing on saturday. Great read indeed.

Nkey.. on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 5:23 pm 



Wow….what a nice read.Topic + Comments.Mableah you are too good.Only a few that can have such an Ox Lever to tackle such issue.Sad I was too busy during the day.I wud have shared my opinion too.But anyway I’ve learned so much.

Nthoentle on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 5:23 pm 



Itjo! Haike whatever works for the individual

nela_n on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 5:25 pm 



will def try the R32 medicine…
*sigh*…this is one of those articles ezi forca a person to ponder deep in their thoughts and face some hard facts about their lives,especially now that umntu mdala…parents r no longer there to take decisions…as an individual m forced to pave the way for my child nd as such ensure that she’s not confused….great read indeed!

Mmaditaba on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 6:41 pm 



lmao funny enough a coleague who goes to ZCC,gave me a lift 4O mins ago .and hm and hs felo pedi tribe were discusing how gud white people have it that they cn eat out 7 days a week.so afta that he makes ths gruelng comment ‘jesus was white ,thatz why white people have the gud life’ lmao i dcided to nt be ma usaual self and db8 it.so i kept quite,! What i dnt get is why when Z.(ZION).C.CHRISTIAN.C(CHURCH) cn he stand and say that!is the name ‘christian’ just there on their emblem as a musk? #soCURIOUS

Lela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 6:45 pm 



Meisie uyibeke yacaca in ur point about old testament ,new testament and the Holy Spirit. Great article indeed,more so with the maturity of abahlomli. Kuyakhukwa e JC.

NQOBILENNN on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 7:18 pm 



@MissAn nna im Lutheran so i cannot answer your question about what Catholics do. 4 me though it depends on the situation im in, most times i pray directly to God but there are times when burning impepho and saying a prayer is needed and it always works 4 me, i call it double protection largely because of what i went through as a child and teenager. @Meisie glad u get my point.

mbulela on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 9:15 pm 



#teamJesusforlife.

Nthoentle on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:26 pm 



#teamMadloziForLife kwaaaaaaaaa!

Thato on Tue, 29th Mar 2011 11:36 pm 



yazi i dont understand Mableh. 1 minute you dont wait people referring you back to the bible, the next thing you quoting it.
I was raised by a parent who doesnt do ancestors and stuff, but other relatives do it. I will go to church if i feel a need to or consult a traditionsl healer should need arise. We perform rituals in my family. I respect whoever chooses whatever

ali-T on Wed, 30th Mar 2011 2:28 am 



Good article @ Mablerh

Eish mara its freaked me out so much I can’t sleep now. Have switched all the lights on. Nxa shouldn’t have read it.

Ophezulu on Wed, 30th Mar 2011 8:53 am 



Sensitive indeed, but I think one can do both especially if one wants to do things logically, I mean even Jesus to some extent is an ancestor, I mean he lived and died and now people worship him,to me the ancestors and Christ are like the air I breathe-they are there and even if I can’t see or touch them but I know that without them its over.

Nandi on Wed, 30th Mar 2011 12:46 pm 



personaly i believe each religion has its own rituals eg. i Roman Catholic churches there are all types of rituals performed in the church like drinking the “body and blood” of Christ the burning of incence ect and with Traditionalist there is also rituals like slaughtering, burning impepho ect ect and as much as people can say they pray to God and he has done ABCD for them there are also those who will say he hasnt done anything for me which could also be said about Traditionalist therefore i believe people should choose which path they want to follow without being made to feel inferior because of their beliefs we should respect each other and not label other peoples beliefs as rubbish and from my experience you can do both i know this to be 100% true because of what happened in my life which will be too long for me to write about but i can state without a shadow of a doubt that it is true. I do however have a problem with black people who are going to look down on other black people who pray through amadlozi instead of Jesus i dont know what right these self righteous fools have to be so superior because christianity never existed here until the white man came. It also has a lot to do with pride if you are proud of your Africaness of who your people are and where they come from even if you are a christian you will not look down on other people who choose to be traditionalist

Ma2Stash on Thu, 31st Mar 2011 8:45 am 



Great read indeed and loved the comments gave us something to ponder about …..though sometimes i dont understand why christians are so judgemental towards what others believe in…theres a difference between wanting to find out why people believe in and degrading it..anyhoo im #TEAMBOTH

eve nings on Fri, 1st Apr 2011 10:36 am 



The bible recorded stories of the past, is that not ancestry?

eve nings on Fri, 1st Apr 2011 12:18 pm 



Believers claim the Creator made them in his image, so does it mean a black woman wearing a weave challenges this concept?

800324 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 12:55 am 



im confused here, ppl are complaining ngezimali ezikhishwa ezangomeni ..what about lezi ezihlale zifunwa emasontweni ezingaka every sundays …phela leyo its a broad day light robbery at least isangoma consults with u usinike imali esontweni they will look at what u wearing, where u working and what not,,,yawning ….

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