The Corporate Sangoma

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 1:16 pm 



Lemme read 1st!

Mso on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 1:58 pm 



Mina I dont bealive in Sangomas but I would not discriminate someone who does. I think being a Sangoma comes with its regulations, problably that says dont do such things if you are one. Like going to parties and stuff. If I were to go and see a sangoma esibhenga nami I dont think I would believe he/she can cure/heal me. As for your job I think you dont have anything to worry about because being a sangoma doesnt mean you are different from your collegues. It simply mean that you have a calling and you perform your rituals at home without any interfering with your job.

MashDiva on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 2:00 pm 



Kgo phahla is sort of like prayer its a process where u communicate with your ancestors. Sum ppl fast while they phalhla and to others its a normal evryday process. Sangoma training is called kgo thwasa.Very informative thnx BS

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 2:09 pm 



Im sure Madika is not the 1st corporate person to go thru this dillema. We have police, nurses, doctors, etc, who r sangoma. Whether or not we believe in their cultural values doesnt mean we dont blend with them. I do believe that once u have chosen that path certain things will change in ur lifestyle but u will still be Madika. I know that there r people out there who dont like sangomas which is why it is essential 4 u to choose carefully if u will follow that path or not. What I have a problem with though is that people have a choice whether or not to get in salvation, but when it comes to being sangoma u seems to be trapped. Im not trying to make u confused there but dont u find it strange? Madika, I know ur problem is what will people say if u get urself into this but please rather ask God to guide u & be with u. A lot of questions should rather be directed at him. BS has already adviced that nothing will happen if u go to work while u r a sangoma, as long as u respect the companies law & do ur job. Sangomas r also the children of the univers they all go the same journey that leads where everybody ends up. So u shouldnt worry abt disappoint people, rather abt urself & what u want. If this is what u want & need, then go ahead & knock urself out. If u dont want this, then dont do it u will not die because u didnt choose it. If u go crazy or get sick? Shouldnt u be asking urself that if pastors have a calling to preach to the world, then why is it that their calling doesnt make them sick?

MashDiva on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 3:14 pm 



@Wiess valid points. I just don’t get why ppl judge!

Sam on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 3:42 pm 



This is a very deep dilemma, i can only imagine what Madika is going through. Apparently this is a calling one cannot ignore. I have a relative who had this calling and ofcourse it was nothing new to our family as our grandmother was a sangoma aswell. She works for a bank too and there were no problems concerning work. She explained that from then on she would have to cover her head from then on but will still wear the uniform.

As for her social life, yes it did change drastically to an extent that she had to break up with her boyfriend which was so sad. Even to the rest of the family it was very disturbing but because she had accepted it and was ok about it, everyone had to be supportive. The only problem she is facing now are the expenses of the whole process. Its quite expensive because of the requirements, but if Madika has some savings, it would probably be an easy and quick process.

EverBlazing on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 4:54 pm 



When it comes to ”go thwasa” i had never agreed with the expenses that come with it…..why do you have to pay so much? But that is not the topic & let me leave it there before i deviate further from the real topic.

Modikwe the most important thing is the surport of your family becouse this is a journey that won’t be easy. E boima! People, colegues and some friends might frown on this but if this is what you want & have made peace with it then go for it.

Asfor your social status, well consult and find out the kind of ”edlosi” you have. You might find that he/she was free spirited & you can go on with your social life, but if they where very strict then maybe you might have to tone down. But the best is to talk to an elder that knows about this things. It sounds to me like have already made your choice about what you want to do, you just scared of what comes with the ”calling”. You are gonna have to leave some things that you are used too. If the colegue you consulted did not have any problems at work then i don’t think you will be treated any differently.

Good luck and all the best!

DexSUPERIOR on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 4:55 pm 



She needs Jesus – like yesterday. It saddens me when the devil plays with young people like this. Here’s a lady who is in her prime, a promising career and possibly a great life ahead of her being lied to by the devil. Someone raised a poignant point about why pastors dont fall ill when they ignore their calling. Ever asked yourself why is that? God gave us choice, right? If He tells me to be a doctor and I choose law, He won’t smite me for that. Instead He will soften my heart, speak to me and guide me to make the right choices. He’d never make me sick. We fear being sick and we fear losing our lives or that of our loved ones. What better way for the devil to coerce us by using fear and intimidation. I’m sorry but this hot mess has the enemy written all over it. I’m gonna be praying for you ‘corporate banker’. I pray that you find God before this thing messes your life. Please fight it. Dont allow the enemy to ruin you.

Brown Shuga on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 5:22 pm 



LOL @ “she needs Jesus” tltltltltltltltl

soul sista on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 5:30 pm 



Wow @Weiss what more can I say? You’ve got sm valid points there.

Well Madika I think its different strokes for different folks. My friend had the calling as a child but she was prayed for and now she’s ok. I watched something on SABC1 last year about a girl who had a calling & she was young, party animal, had a mlungu bf, travelled the world & all. She went to a sangoma (can’t remember well) but her ancestors told her that she can answer the call later since she’s not ready.
On the profession part, I remember seeing her talking with a very young guy who’s also a sangoma and is now a lecturer at Wits or somewhere (still can’t remember well). Although these people are in a different profession from yours I don’t think they’ve been affected in anyway, Baby Cele, Letoya Makhene, Segale Mogotsi, Freedom Hadebe & I’m sure there are still others. Sometimes one can just perform the rituals and get it done with, no need to be a practicing sangoma.
Good luck in everything!

manlord on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 6:42 pm 



siyavuma, lol ok like mina my Grand mother is a sangoma my mom is a teacher and she was in the same situation but resisted the so called “calling” so its a matter of personal choice must say one should choose a route cause every1 must believe in something and some people believe in culture.

sindarella on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 7:06 pm 



I dnt think u hav 2 worry abt ur social life,afta u hav completed da whole rituals lyf can get back 2 normal.Dats if u choose not 2 practice.I knw few ppl who hav bin ther and r living normal lives.

Jahara on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 7:21 pm 



Seek 1st the kingdom of God,& all else shall be added unto u.

Madika u need to find God & give ur life to Him. He is the only one who will cast away the spirit of bondage that is threatening to overcome ur life.
He says He is ”THE GREAT I AM” & He commands us to call Him by what He says He is. If u need freedom,He Is freedom. If u need healing,He Is healing. If u need money,He Is money. Everything that u need Madika,call Him that.

It is never too late to surrender all unto Him. Ask,Knock,Seek.

ziz-g on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 7:51 pm 



eish i feel for you girl but there is nothing to about(i think) cos i have a friend and he got his calling last year doing his grade11,and weird things were happening to him but after he decided to get his training and hes been better even though every weekend he has to be in different places and truth is i don’t have a ghost clue of what he does but if you still want to live the night life you have to do it openly so i think its allowed…0h let God guide you all the way

Mini lilo on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 7:58 pm 



Its always about choices if you think you ready to surrender all to be a Sangoma then be it,consider all factors though. people do resist this calling and everything goes well for them like my Granmother

ThendoR on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 8:33 pm 



Do wats best 4 u Madika. Heard u can do the thng and stil continue w ur proffesion. Don’t understand hw u do it in ur culture bt it gets hectic if u dnt accept the calling (so I’ve heard). And will say God wil lead u in the ryt path. Won’t say its the work of the devil coz I dnt know the truth. So be strong and make the ryt decison. Don’t make ur decision based on what people think. Talk to ur elders or church leaders. M sure they’ll lead u to the ryt choice that suits u and ur family. ThendoR

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 8:58 pm 



What I found disturbing abt the process of sangoma training is the fact that u do things that u dont do under normal circumstances. Have u ever wondered why a goat has to be slaughtered in ur name, so that u can drink the blood while nobody bothers to ask whether u r vegetarian or not? Have u ever wondered what the red & white beads represent because u obviously not celebrating valentine? Have u ever wondered whose voice is talking while sangomas r on the high? Sometimes u know a, sweet, soft spoken, shy girl but after she drank sum muti & goat blood she speaks in a deep voice, dance like a crazy madman, why is that? Have u ever wondered why sangomas use seashells to predict the future or whatever? Have u ever wondered what the hell r doing with horse hair? Why is it that when sum1 in ur family has been a sangoma, then sumbody in the family must take over? Have u ever wondered what the lion in their red & white cloth represents? Whats with taking off ur shoes when consulting a sangoma? Okay, what abt this one then: why r u forced to yes while s/he is talking like a horseracing sport commentator? What r u saying yes to? Find answers to these questions, u will be horrified because not everything is what it seems. With God, nothing is tricky – if u read the Bible u read the truth.

Modj on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:01 pm 



All those who say she needs Jesus are talking nonsense. Just because you don’t believe in it doesn’t mean that it is satanic. Everyone should be free to practice whatever they wanna practice. Madika is mostly worried about what these christians will think. How sad! Who are they? Gods? Paleeze! Spirituality is diverse people and most people believe there’s a higher being out there..be it God, Allah, Amadlozi or hell even Ants.

Lela on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:17 pm 



Modj has it occured to u that those who say she needs Jesus may be sayin that bcz of their opinion seein as this is a dilema that needs an answer n diff opinions may make her choose better? Hayi maan nawe u are discriminating Jesus mos!

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:29 pm 



Just because some of you don’t believe in bo-Sangoma its does not automatically make it nonsense…you will sing a different tune when affects you personally….
“if you live in a glass house,make sure its shatter proof…”

Jahara on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:40 pm 



@Weiss u need to give simple uncomplicated examples for people to be able to depict these types of situations & make choices on what to believe in.

Example 1:
I feel that my life is in danger or not going the way i want it to. Then i consult a sangoma who then give me a pebble & say it will watch over me & i should have it with me at all times.

Then i do just that,take the pebble everywhere i go. So because im told it will protect me,i always check my pockets every hour to make sure i havent lost it.

So here is the question: IS THIS PEBBLE WATCHING OVER ME OR AM I THE ONE WATCHING OVER IT? Now u know,U r watching over it.

Example 2:
….u know what,maybe im talking too much,so i wont go further.

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:41 pm 



@Modj if u can provide satisfactory answers to my questions above, then I would say u know what u r talking abt. Yes, there is high power to all believers. Sangomas r also believers otherwise why bother practising all these rituals? Like I said before, we are all the children of the universe.

Letebele on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:47 pm 



Did someone just say she needs Jesus???? Wtf?!
Its amazing that all these people saying you need Jesus call themselves christians! Ya’ll have no right to judge!
I have been blessed with a gift to heal and a gift of prophecy. So let me try and educate the judgemental christians:
He is the alpha and omega. As healers,we start everything with prayer. Before ke phahla,I kneel down and pray like everyone of ya’ll. I ask him to lead the way and for his will to be done.
We as healers are not evil,yes there are those who’ve misused their gifts but that does not mean we are all like that.before we consult,we pray for God to be with us so that what we share is nothing but the truth. My ancestors were chrisitians,they went to church like everybody else and they prayed like everybody else.

I am a christians first and foremost. Then only am I a healer and a prophet.

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 9:59 pm 



@Jahara, Baby I know u know what I know cause u knew when those who knew let u know, right? Ur example 1 is nothing but FAITH, luv. Sangoma works on ur faith then BAM! U r healed, u think sangoma did it but what sangoma knows is that God gave us all ability to work like Him. We just dont know it yet. God gave us ability to say the word & make things happen, but we take ourselves forgranted & think other children of the universe will help us. We go to them & give them our money while the answer is right there in our faces, then what does sangoma do? Laugh all the way to the bank! This is not rocket science, its just common sense.

Jahara on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:01 pm 



@Letebele which is why she also need God to guide her!!

Christian 1st,sangoma 2nd.

Dont go contradicting urself now!!
She also need to pray for divine intervention (like u do) in order to be able to know the truth & use her talents -calling- truthfully (like u do).

So dont go all aggro on us. U know u r able to carry out ur prophecies through God’s guidance,then tell her that she also need God to guide her!!

Jahara on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:10 pm 



@Weiss,this goes to show that if u are not ahead of ur generation,u will never be set free from the ways of the world.

Actually,i wanna give example 2,now more than,ever.

Example 2:
I go to consult a traditional healer concerning my life again. He tells me he has to perform a ritual to set me free,the he install a snake-skin above my main door.

That means my home is ruled by the spirit of a snake. & u all know what a snake does. It bites. It never moves in a straight way. It never moves on smooth surfaces.

So that’s how my life will be. I will foreva bite (fight),my life will neva take a straight path,& i will never do things right.

Now u know.

Letebele on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:11 pm 



@Jahara read @dexsuperior’s post before getting smart with me.

Weiss on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:15 pm 



@Letebele if u r christian 1st, then why r u denying other to find Jesus? U have Jesus, dont u?

DexSUPERIOR on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:27 pm 



@smatsatsa, allow me to burst that bubble. This will NEVER happen to me in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. @letebele, nobody is being judgemental when saying the lady needs Jesus. It’s a simple and straight forward opinion. Every single living being is aware that ONLY God can judge, so when you say we’re being judgemental, you’re basically saying that we’re as powerful as God. In essence, you’re saying we ARE God. It’s a huge compliment but I’d rather you didn’t. Learn to embrace different opinions.
You say that you pray to God before you consult your ancestors. The Bible calls that being unequally yolked. God does not like it when you’re luke warm. (NB: this is not me being judgemental. This is Bible stuff). God is a jealous God. He doesn’t want to be shared with dead uncles and forefathers… but that’s a topic for another time, right BS?

KevCare on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:40 pm 



Seemz like this might lead to Mablehr previous article of Religion vs AfricanTradition!

My fellow Christians make the mistake of shutting down and disregarding other beliefs and ENFORCE Christianity without giving valid reasons!

Tread carefully!

FunkyFK on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 10:44 pm 



I wish someone could tell me how to live my newfound life?

@Madikwa – I dont know how bo sangoma works however,I do know gore when one accepts Christ as his / her personal Saviour, the Holy Spiirt guides that perons on how to live their newfound life in Christ.

Also remember that “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”

DexSUPERIOR on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 11:02 pm 



Lol ay Kev, Tread carefully? That’s supposed to scare the living daylights out of us right? Well God didn’t put the spirit of fear in us but one of power and love and a sound mind. Really, our intention is not to enforce anything. I blame the power of God. His word always hits home that it automatically comes off as being ENFORCED. That dude is powerful

Noance on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 11:31 pm 



@Madika I personally think that we choose our own way and no one cam make us do what we don’t want.
Out will is what makes us human beings before anything else. I cannot imagine or know what ur going through but I sympathise with
u. I do not believe in sangomas n the whole twasaring process or in ancestors. The only person who rose from the dead was Jesus finish n klaar.
But I also believe there are other forced n powers that dwell amongst us n are powerful in their won right.

The world has made abnormalirty normal that’s why we can tolerate n accept certain practices.
I believe whether u a healer or sangoma,in the way u were blessed with the gift the next person can be aswell.
The problem is “when someone points us to the moon as humans, we tend to worship the finger instead of the moon.
I believe that religion or practices should never be forced. So we this sangoma calling,I feel one is forced or coerced
Via dreams n falling sick. Is it really the kind of ancestors u want to be lead by? That haunt ur dreams,
Make u spend money n drink animal blood?

I respect all religions,cultures n people’s choices.
This doesn’t seem like u had a choice @Madika. I wish u all the best.
My perspective is from as a Christian but also a citizen of the world who
Has seen n experienced much and made her choice. Which is exactly what u have to make.
The Bible is a book,have a read. U might find answers or not. But I believe u free will
was the greatest gift u could have been given. Christian or not.

kwindora on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 11:34 pm 



Like shem I really wanted to laugh but it isn’t funny it’s actually scary, @Madika personally I have been raised in a weird family when one parent is a Christian and doesn’t support all this and the other believes Sangoma’s and ancestors are the way to go! You are not forced to do what you do not believe in, your faith is what makes you well. If you live in constant fear that you will fall ill because you ignored the calling then that’s what will happen, but if you believe God will make a way out of all this then it shall be done, at the end of the day it’s what you believe in and what you think makes sense to you.

Lela on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 11:41 pm 



Can we not be called judgemental christians for statin our views,must we all be sangomas to be right? Personally i dont believe in sangomas n i wl neva blv in them n i wl neva b called to be a sangoma,does that make me a judgemetal christian,hayi voetsek maan this is tiring,u people must mention ur sangomas n ur calling all u want n at the mention of the name of Jesus we r judgemental,hayi rha maan. I also blv she needs Jesus based on my belief n havin seen people who were practicing as sangomas become christian n get delivered from being sangomas. By christian ke i mean a born again spirit filled fire baptised child of God not christian by default. Yes i respect n have friends from different religions but that does not mean i will compromise my stand point neva.

DexSUPERIOR on Sun, 17th Apr 2011 11:44 pm 



Preach Lela! Lol…

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:00 am 



So for us to tread carefully all the replies should say halleluajh she is called to be a sangoma praise the ancestors? What is the point of this article then? The world will be a better place when we all give our opinions without fear of being judged and when it comes to what i know about my Jesus i will not tread carefully shem ngaske nindibethe. Prophetic gifts are given by God through Christ they are not scared into and they are used for the glory of God not to enrich ones self,that is why even if its church prophets who use these gifts to enrich themselves we wl not be silent. God is the only Alpha and Omega!

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:03 am 



Futhi the gits of God add no sorrow,if it is from God is will not frustrate nor confuse u,you will know for sure and you will be excited about it.

kwindora on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:23 am 



I love you Lela! Much respect for your opinion! Wow powerful indeed, those who can’t accept the opinions of others must just go eat grass cha ngeke phela!

D'light on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:30 am 



I neva understand when Sotho ppl (Sotho, Tswana & Pedi) become Sangomas,it isn’t our tradition; what does this word mean anyway?
I don’t believe in such but I grew up knowing that there are dingaka tsa setso (nt Sangoma) who are believed 2 have some healing powers but Sangomas were a completely different story

kgaogelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:19 am 



I personally think that you need to give ur life to Jesus coz wen u allow such to control ur life ul b controlled forever. My friendz sista is a sangoma hai juuu da things dat happen to her shows dat shz dealin wth da dead and is a confused soul. All m saying is that be careful of what you gna chuz and don’t be fooled by dead ppl or other sangomaz. May the Holy Spirit guide you to the ryt path.

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 5:30 am 



DexSUPERIOR….each for their own!

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 5:45 am 



Dear Madikwe
This is neither an easy nor a hard decision…in your heart you already know what to do. Do not let any of these comments sway you in a direction you don’t want to take. People are generally hypocritics-”only their belief system is the right one” and they will impose it everywhere they go…I’m a Christian-born again for that matter-but when my cousin got the calling, we(as a family)could do nothing but support her because she accepted her calling,this in no way means we believe in bo-sangoma nor does it mean we don’t but we supporting the path she has chosen. It took a lot of resistance from some family members but at the end it was her choice.There is no set manual to living life,we will all make decisions that do not necessarily follow the norm-its a choice! Ps: bazalwane are the biggest hypocrits ever,quick to judge and slow to listen…
I wish you well and I hope you’ll find what you are looking for…
Remember to read the bible and ask God for guidance…
Love, Smatsatsa the friendly chic from Welkom….

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 5:56 am 



@dexSuperior: you say you’re not being judgemental? Them maybe you should read your first post first.

If you say this is the devil’s work,what do you mean by that?

My comments was based on that comment. So before you all start preaching,scroll up and read this man’s very first comment so you can understand what I was responding to.

I agree with Kevcare that Mablerh’s article would be a good referral for most of ya’ll who didn’t read.

And wena Lela why would you think ukuba u’re included in the judgemental few? I don’t remember your comments ever being judgemental,not on this piece and not on Mablerh’s piece.

MashDiva on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 6:14 am 



I think Madika just wanted a different view to this whole thing cos it seems like she’s already decided what to do. Its easier to get critisism from strangers then her close friends and family memebers. At least the post gives her a possibility on how her loved ones would react. Please guys stop sayong she needs Jesus. Isn’t Jesus an ancestor? @Smatsatsa I couldn’t agree with u more…”Ps: bazalwane are the biggest hypocrits ever,quick to judge and slow to listen…”

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 6:42 am 



Smatsatsa ke utlwa ke oratile klaar!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 6:46 am 



Lol @Jesus being an ancestor – ancestor ya lekgowa…

Let’s not say other people’s beliefs and practices are evil (well except for devil worshipers,lol), even an atheist is not evil. It’s good to give opinions but I think respect comes 1st.

Modj on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 7:12 am 



Ah Smatsatsa sa ko Welkom your open-mindedness as a “christian” is commendable. I couldn’t have said it better myself. I don’t believe in jesus nor do I believe in in sangomas but I respect that you are a christian and that Mmadika is about to take on the ancestry route. And I would expect people to respect mine as well. Mmadika does not need jesus! She has already made her decision, all she was asking for was whether or not it’s gonna affect her work and how it’s gonna impact her social life. That is all!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 7:19 am 



@D’light what is lethuela then?

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:06 am 



@Modj: ke o ratile klaar lewena!

@kau702 on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:06 am 



Well I think this girl shouldn’t ignore this, because at some point this might have an impect in her life, maybe this can affect her children,my advice is she must go “ebungomeni” then she can decide whether she wants to practise as a Sangoma or what… Its not a must that all people who went there should be Sangomas full-time

J-Girl on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:10 am 



Ohhh akunzima tsiii!
@Madikwa there are lots of people who have been down this road before and all I can say to you is its a personal decision! As the people not directly affected by your situation we can sit here, judge and hurl all sorts of unsavoury words but ultimately the decision kies with you and by the sound of things you have made that decision but your main concern is post everything!
Worry not young one, when you are there you will be guided and the decisions you make will be from an informed point of view! There is nothing haphazoud (lol @ this spelling but I hope u get the point) about being a spiritual healer, the way you live will also be suited to you and you will be ok! This is your calling and as soon as you embrace it you will find that decisions about personal things you will in good time make and be comfortable with them, you need not fear that some evil spirit will take over your life! I am no Sangoma but I grew up in an environment where I was exposed to such in the form of close family!

Mufasa on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:19 am 



LOL @all these people going on about god…. she asked for advise about work, social life and discrimination….. you are too busy preaching….she knows she has to do this…. you just showed her what she will have to go through in terms of discrimination…. religion makes me sick

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:40 am 



@Mufasa, God works in mysterious ways. It was His will that everyone started talking about Him. He planned everything. Don’t blame us. We’re just His messengers. He’s merely showing His face. The reason why you hate religion is because you’re focusing too much on it. Forget about religion. Seek first His kingdom and righteousness and everything else shall be added unto you. Work on the relationship and the word ‘hate’ will cease to be in your vocab. NO, ONCE AGAIN, I’M NOT JUDGING. That’s God’s department. Glory be to Him and only Him

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:45 am 



Hai…

Mathaz on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:51 am 



When born again christians state what is written in the Bible,they are called judgemental.Bo Sangoma and the things of God do not mix,dont be fooled.

Nokxie on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:52 am 



I just hope when we commenting/ridiculing someone outfit or hair, shoes or some aspect of their lives in upcoming features we can also add “Glory be to Him and only Him” “Halleluja” and all tha jazz

Mufasa on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:55 am 



*sigh* Xtians….. mysterious ways huh? LOL i give up

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:57 am 



@Letebele I don’t know nor care if I am included in the judgemental crew I just hate that it has become a norm that when Christians state their views they are called names.If you notice the only time I ever comment on these madlozi articles is when Christians are attacked for stating their opinions.Good for you Smatsatsa for being such an open minded Christian I’m sure Jesus is very proud of you and you will be sitting right next to Him in heaven. Can you now allow us judgemental Christians state our view without calling us hypocrits cause from reading your comment you have just given hypocricy a new meaning. So for Christians to be good Christians they must believe emadlozini just like you? Wow! If my not believing in Sangomas and Madlozis make me a hypocrite I am happy to be a Chief Hypocrite.

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:59 am 



@Dex: let me guess,you’re one of Pastor Chris’s followers or even better,you go to the same church as that pastor from Soweto tv who makes woman give birth to fish. I think you need Jesus!

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:59 am 



We will do that Nokxie because commenting on people’s hair and outfits does not make us any less of Christians so if it will make you happy I will gladly add hallelujah at the end of each comment I make here on JC.

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:00 am 



Lela &Dex Superior im with yal all the way. Tell people about Jesus and they will knife you with the ‘judgemental’ butcher knife and guess what i dnt mind at all ,cause such we should always expect when we tell people the truth.
Hehehe Madika, Madika,Madika i w0nda how God cn guide you when you’ve actually already made ur decision that you clearly want to take ubusangoma.you’ve chosen what His against BUT it’s your chose bbe,afterall S.A is a very constitionally freedom of choice allowing place so im sure ul adapt to ur world easily. (salvation is free-thwasing costs heftly) kodwa usebenza ebank so ul afford

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:10 am 



Letebele call me what you like,whatever suits you best, i really don’t hey mind.

Maihlomeihlasele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:11 am 



Well I have so much to share regarding this issue but it’s a whole article on its own. Being brought in a born again Christian family my younger sister had a calling at the age of 14 (ten years ago), no one in my family had this before so you can imagine the drama it caused…she eventually went to do the training didn’t finish her matric because that’s what she wanted. The thing about this is once you get into it it’s one thing after another, and then she had to go to initiation school, train upcoming sangoma’s as well and every year she must slaughter a cow & goat for thanksgiving. She gave up 3 years after all of that. I can not begin to tell how much money was spent and all of this.

All I can tell you is that beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord, nothing else.

KevCare on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:13 am 



The reason i said tread carefully isn’t because i dont want Christian such as Lela to be misunderstood! BUT coming out and saying that “its the work of the devil” doesn’t help!!

By you saying that you are making them outcasts instead of “Winning Souls”! She might be misinterpreting “her gift” as bo Sangoma whereas if taught(not told) the Truth….she could use that gift of healing or prophecy to glorify Gods Kingdom!

Uthando on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:16 am 



!!!!! ISUKILE MADODA!!!!

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:23 am 



Amen Maehlomeihlesele. All these dead(demons) people need you to keep shedding blood(hence the slaughtering njalo nje) for their spirits to keep reviving and ordering your life in the name of a “calling” ..and then theres people here who cum and say ‘im im a christian whose a sangoma’ how so ?-self-contridiction..hehehehe bt then to each his own ne. Mina i will never ever in the name of Christ who forbid such be a sangoma … *waits for retrieval fm sangomas and co-sangomas*

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:25 am 



@Mmaditaba: is your name dexSuperior? Hayi bo!

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:27 am 



You have a very good point Kevcare. Kodwa the truth is the truth,and it will neva cum out nyc shem bt realy point taken in respect

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:38 am 



No, I’m not at Pastor Chris’ church nor am I in that pastor’s on Soweto TV. I’m sure those pastors are real men of God and it irritates the living daylights out of you. I bet you’ve never been to any of those churches yet you believe something as silly as giving birth to fish. Do they show those fish on Soweto TV?

lwandie on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:42 am 



All Madikwa ever wanted to know was whether there was still a place for cultural beliefs in todays society and how she can embrace the new life that she has clearly chosen….so as much as we all have our personal convictions about all sorts(not a crime in itself),for the purposes of what was asked,it is polite to stick with what was asked.

Sooo @ Madikwa my personal take is that culture ,like christianity,aethisim,Darwinism,the whole lot, are very personal choices that only start to become problems when they infringe into the next persons personal space.

There is no reason why your new belief should affect yoyr 9-5 unless you plan to carry out your rituals at work which I’m sure you obviously dont.

In the event you need time off to carry out traditional rituals etc,be considerate of your collegues too, and try to incooporate such things during your leave time and weekends etc so that basically you do not start becoming a pain in the a*sre to those around you(and this for me goes for any personal belief).

As for family, friends(true ones),those are the people in our lives who generally understand us no matter what so you should be fine in that respect.

Will it affect your life style ,I guess in some respects(I dont know much about the nitty gritties of sangoma requirements sorry).But like anythng in life it comes with changes in life style and hopefully they are within what you as a human being are comfortable with

Does society have space for culture,I would like to think so,at least I hope so if we are calling our selves progressive,Society especially in cities is cosmopolitan enough I think to let someone leave out their choices,but remember there will always be extemists etc so do not expect everyone to accept your new lifestyle with ease.

Best wishes

lwandie on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:45 am 



hhha askis spelling,typos,grammar the works peeps, its too early for my brain lol

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:49 am 



Letebele in your opinion you did mention ‘christians’ and as discrediting as it is 4 u , I Am A Christian! #thankyou

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:51 am 



Lela…most Christians are hypocrits,its either their way or no way~nnete fela…my “open mindness” is due to living and being exposed to different kinds of people with different backgrounds and beliefs…
I’m not moved my sarcastic remarks but I stand by my word!
Ke lefoko la me leo!

TL on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:55 am 



I’d never have said that some people are born abain Christians until they said so…well even then it’s still hard to believe.
cues umzalwane ubonakala ngezenzo

Modj on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:55 am 



@Lwandie, thank you for sticking to what Mmadika really wanted out of this. I’m sure she will look at your advice and feel that she can actually embark on this with some awareness.

Bushnana on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:57 am 



Dear Madikwa

I wish you well in your journey, please dont be discouraged by some of the posts, God can never be defined by one religion and you still a child of God which ever route you choose to serve him. As you embark on this journey I want to encourage you to seek answers within yourself as opposed to relying too much on other Sangomas/trainers. If your heart tells you that something is wrong, listen to your heart. The world of Sangomas is filled with crooks who are just doing it for the money. Everything you need to do must be shown to you , until such time I would encourange you not do anything and continue with life as it is. Whe you have undergone the ukuthwasa process you will not be the same person. The partying and going out will not be important to you anymore. You are going to be different but in a good way you will see. Your career I would say dont worry to much about it,some people are able to train and go back to work, some are unable to do it, it all son who your guides are and how they lived. For example if they were of royalty they will not allow you to work, reason being is that most of the time in a corporate enviroment you take orders and instructions from someone else and they will not like that, however you may find that if you start your own business you will begin to thrive. Sometimes you find that you were not even that happy in the corporate enviroment. Hope all goes well and please dont ignore this gift, if you do that you will never realise your full potential on this earth.

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:57 am 



Ditto ditto ditto @lwandie

Can we help Madikwa here and not go on about which belief or religion is right or wrong, I think we’ve already talked about that in @Mablerh’s article. #IThankYou

snapshot on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:03 am 



i’ve read a couple of your comments,im a christian and i’m glad to see that other Bazakes commented. My Grandfather WAS a sangoma and Gmom a christian (time bomb), he ditched it 20 years ago,however he still uses herbs to cure people from sores&asthma,at some point he would prevent us from going to church but due to the power of prayer we got allowed again,my bible prohibits ME from bowing to other gods,EVERYDAY i pray for anyone who believes that there is a dead person who can give him power to heal,I’m not judging anyone but the devil works in mysterious ways,*I PRAY8*

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:13 am 



Oh snapshot, you’ve just snapped my shot ..thank you thank you thank you . I wnt reserve my opinion regardless. Snap you just nailed it on the core.

KevCare on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:20 am 



LOL @ “Bazakes”!!!

Weiss on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:31 am 



Lmao! @ how Mmaditaba just poked Letebele before he attacked her. Hello Mmaditaba (waving & blowing kisses),

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:35 am 



@you gotta love JC!

Lela: mhlobo, uyayilahla ke ngoku. i’ll go personal here and tell you straight out coz i know you personally. that comment was not meant for you as you and i have had this talk face to face and i know where you stand with this. so askies if i upset you in anyway.

my response was to the bloggers who started attacking us (healers/prophets) and calling it the devils work. that’s why i said they are judgements christians coz i believe that people should respect each other’s choices and call our ancestors aboDEVIL! Like they know what the devil looks like?

@Mmaditba: you’re speaking about the truth? the truth according to who? please dont say the bible and we all have different interpretations of the word of God.

@TL: le ha oka thola, obuile ebile oe qetile (tranlation: uyigqibile!)

Bushnana: thank you. thank you. thank you. i like you already!

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:40 am 



TL you dnt live with me so izenzo zami uzozazi nganjani ? Being christain dnt make us unhuman.i have a right to exercise my opinion as you do too .thanks

Lol Weiss ai jo i didnt poke him or is it her? I dnt knw..anyway hELLO *waving with my hypocrit hands*

Botshelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:40 am 



The bible says

“My people perish because they lack knowledge”
“You will know the truth (Jesus) and the truth will set you free”
“I am(Jesus) the way the truth and the life”

the very bible acknowledges the ancestors but also advices us not to “worship” any of the them, because the dead are just that, dead, and therefore have got no business with those who are alive.

The above statement makes a lot of people mad, but I guess they will find the truth when they, have now passed on.

“go thwasa” involves communicating with the people who have passed on, and this included using different meduim, except God.

According to the bible there is 2 rulers, God and Satan. and the bible says “you cannot serve 2 masters”

Now it does not make sense for someone who worships ancestors to pray to God to ask clarity to communicate with them.

This is not being judgemental or anything. It is to state what the bible says.

To Madika
The ball is now in your court. You now have heard that Jesus can deliver you. and that you can answer to your calling by “go thwasa”. Make a decision that will bring life to you. You are informed now sisi

MsRooi on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:44 am 



Hello Sisi

I’m not a sangoma, nor do I have the calling. But my mother is. From our side, when she went to train, she didn’t change her routine. Fortunately she didn’t have to go do that in another province.

She woke up, went to work during the week and on weekends, went to train. On days where she was required to perform a certain act, she let them know in advance. Nothing changed. Yes, she took a bit more leave than usual but it was understood why. When she was good and ready, she explained to those who were curious, what she was doing..

From her experience, I can tell you that no one treated her differently. Infact, many people went to her for guidance at work. She wears beads on her neck, but always puts them under her shirt to respect company policy. The cloth that she has, she takes it off and leaves it in the car when she gets into the office. So just like BS, I believe you will be just fine if you respect your workplace. You would be surprised to find out how many people are actually curious and would love to have such a person working with them.

On social scene, I know once you done, you can’t just rock up at someones house, you have to be invited in. My mom can’t handle too much noise, so I don’t think clubs will be efficient. Other than that, you will be fine. Just breathe and believe..

Askies for the essay! Lol

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:45 am 



Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa @Letebele guessing that another child is Pastor Chris or Mboro’s follower,kwwwaaaaaaaa yhu dead and burried stru. Religion brings out the best in people. I nuurrrvuuuhhhhhh!

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:47 am 



@Botshelo *in my best sangomas voice* Ngiyavuma!!

Madika lets hope u’v been fulfilled in your quest, all the best nana

Maggs on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:48 am 



so sad that this has turned out to be a christianity versus amadlozi article. so very sad.

Maihlomeihlasele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:53 am 



Heeeeeee @Mmaditaba hao telle hao telle o kena ka ntja le fariki ka kerekeng LMAO!!!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:54 am 



Lol you see why I don’t like debating about religion, @Botshelo says,
“the very bible acknowledges the ancestors but also advices us not to “worship” any of the them, because the dead are just that, dead, and therefore have got no business with those who are alive.” —> -Isn’t Jesus too?

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:54 am 



MissAN i know u’re silentblogging ,come out of that dark place NOW !!! Lmao @Lela saying “another child”

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:57 am 



@Letebele I didn’t even know who said what,when I read comments I browse through cause some are too long,i just kept seeing judgemental and christian in one sentence and I knew uba isukile cause its what always happens when such topics are discussed. You know I’m a very open minded Christian in my view and I respect all religions and have friends from diff religions and i love n respect them as well as their cultural beliefs. I just have a problem when Christians are called judgemntal for statiing their views. Just because I have gay friends and I love them does not change my view about homosexuality and my gay friends know that. My point is when it comes to my views based on my belief andigungqi!

MsRooi on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:00 am 



I am SO disappointed in JC bloggers. Anything other than “Christian” is the work of the devil? Ai.. SMH at all of you..

Botshelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:01 am 



@ Soul Sista- christians prays to God and do not have to go through someone to take their prayers to God e.g. asking a dead person to take your prayers to God.

Have you seen or heard of Mzalwane going to “phahla” Jesus?

Azang’ wa utlwa ka “Jesu o tsogile baswing”? “a tlhatlhogela legodimong”?

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:03 am 



@soulsister, only God can help her. You’re asking for way too much from us. We’re just here to share our different views. Some of us never read the Mablerh article, so do bare with us while we ride this wave. @Maggs, we are all a bunch of opinionated people, so its highly likely for a broad topic like this to derail. Dont be sad. Pray about it instead.

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:07 am 



@Botshelo ke itse na Jesu ha shwa? Yes or No will do.

MsRooi on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:09 am 



LMAO.. @soulsista what a question! Jesus is dead right? So why are people who condemn traditional custom (coz ancestors are dead) worshiping a book has written in it?

I’m not questioning your religion, I’m just wondering why it gives some people the right to say “she needs Jesus”, when Jesus himself is an ancestor.. Because he rose from the dead?

*waits to be called vicious unchristian-like names* Mmmmm…

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:11 am 



Maihlomeihlasele *dead…deader deadest* kema swabi he ele gore honale motho eke mo offendile or was rude to akere.

Bushnana on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:15 am 



To fellow bloggers who are always referring to the Bible, just because the history of Jesus was written does not make it more truthful than oral tradition, at the end of the days its still faith or belief.What proof is there, except your faith, of the risen Jesus except the bible? Jesus could very well be an ancestor himself, now that would be very hard to swallow. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if black people had brought christianity to the europeans, Im sure they would have laughed at us and dismissed the Jesus story,on the other side of the coin if white people came to Africa saying we should believe in Madlozi we would have bought into it.

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:17 am 



JESUS IS ALIVE (disclaimer:blv it or not) He rose frm the dead.

snapshot on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:19 am 



ei Mmaditaba nawe SMH but your G hai iyangi rocker,each time i look at it i see something different,i always have to rub my eyes one or twice to see that those are boxes,God bless all of you as you engage each other on this,BUT honestly the writer knows what she wants to do,she just needed comfort from bloggers.

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:23 am 



Lolest, can we make sense here… I’m still waiting for @Botshelo’s answer not yours @MsRooi :-l … But if it’s like yours then I’ll say Madikwa needs another “dead” person and what does that say about your statement @Botshelo? Still if your answer is YES, then we’ll take it from there hun.

snapshot on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:26 am 



to avoid essays:
friday i attend a workshop in PTA, seated next to two old women, we did not click and it bothered me, i was on fasting & prayer for the whole week, but decided i will break around lunch,

lunch i went to the loo but forgot to pray (break fast) went to dining hall found myself queing with those ladies,we talked but still no connection,i remembered that i did not break my fasting,i prayed on the que,

found myself on the same table with the old women,(after i had planned not to sit with them) somehow was dissappointed,since i found them already eating,i prayed for my meal and ate, we talked but still it was cold,

out of the blue the other one started talking that she is troubled by “umndawe” a type of ancestor, she went on and on, by that time,i prayed in tongues,i couldn’t penetrate thier conversation,there was no platform for me to say my views but i knew that prayer would penetrate them,i gave them my b-card and left.

Moral:sometimes the platform does not allow you to say your views but prayer penetrates anything anytime no matter the situation

MsRooi on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:32 am 



Lol.. @soulsista.. I got you.. Eish, my second paragraph (…I’m not questioning your religion….) Was meant as a Question to the “non devil worshipers”.. You misunderstood me. Kwaaaa.. I got mad love for ya shem! Oldie :-p.. Mwah!

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:37 am 



@Bush, like i said before, God gave us choice. ‘Ancestors’ dont. You ignore the call, you suffer. Funny how it’s the same ancestors who left the earth as poor as a church mouse, the same ancestors that were known in the family for being worthless drunks who never took care of their families… they have the audacity to ‘come back’ in another form and start demanding you do things that will cost money, money that you dont have. Well to me, those people dont have your best interest at heart. They dont love you unconditionally if they threaten you with illness or death if you ignore them. God only wants you to seek Him, believe in Him and pray to Him. I’m grateful for the europeans. They were sent by God. #teamEuropeans

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:38 am 



Snapshot quite a hand full of bloggers have had a prob with my G,im suprised ukhuthi uthi iyakurocker ,yet hey thank you.. *pulls self in boxes of order* you’re right umkhuleko is the key,so nw i wnt say anymre bt observe ,oh and lol.

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:38 am 



Snapshot quite a hand full of bloggers have had a prob with my G,im suprised ukhuthi uthi iyakurocker ,yet hey thank you.. *pulls self in boxes of order* you’re right umkhuleko is the key,so nw i wnt say anymre bt observe ,oh and lol.

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:39 am 



kwaaaaaaaaaa,deathofme! BS o bozza for creating JC ane!

Madika Mashiloane, Thokoza mntan’edlozi

when you had mpho ya badimo, it was a way to acknowledge your ancestors. that means that they know where you stand with them. they know that you respect them and appreciate all they have done for you. i’m happy to hear that you’re in a better place spiritually.

you dont have to plan ho phahla. yes the norm is that you have to be in a particular space with what you’re shown to use as per your family’s traditions. but i have learnt that it doesnt have to be like that. you can call them and speak to them even when you’re walking or sitting or sleeping, just as long you’re always respectful and humble, they will hear you. sometimes they will take long to respond to your questions/requests but they will respond eventually.

you’ll be amazed at how many healers work in the corporate environment. you will learn to accept that those will try and victimise you will most probably be those who are clueless about your gift and once they get to learn mor about it on a daily basis, they will eaze up on the looks and the gossip. but this wont even bother you, otla bona. eventually, you’ll learn to just brush off their looks and gossip coz it wont make the price of bread cheaper.

the next person cannot tell you how to live your life. just ask for guidance and follow your heart. put yourself first and forget about what people will say or do or how they’ll look at you. Eventually, everything will be as it should be.

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:41 am 



@Bush, Christians have choice. ‘Ancestors’ dont. You ignore the call, you suffer. Funny how it’s the same ancestors who left the earth as poor as a church mouse, the same ancestors that were known in the family for being worthless drunks who never took care of their families… they have the audacity to ‘come back’ in another form and start demanding you do things that will cost money, money that you dont have. Well to me, those people dont have your best interest at heart. They dont love you unconditionally if they threaten you with illness or death if you ignore them. God only wants you to seek Him, believe in Him and pray to Him. I’m grateful for the europeans. They were sent by God. #teamEuropeans

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:47 am 



Tltltltl wena @MsRooi I didn’t want your answer coz I already knew what it would be…lol
I’m returning all the love…ke o ratile in Maratahelele’s voice.

Weiss on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:48 am 



What is totally clear in my mind (whether it makes me sad or not) is that Madika, a 27 old woman knows very well abt difference between the Holy Spirit & the ancestral spirit. She has chosen the path she wants to take. She will be proceeding with taking a further step & becoming a sangoma. I was only asking my questions & what certain things represent because I am aware why sangomas do certain things, why is it when u receive ur calling as a sangoma u receive it that way. Nobody gave me answer by the way! I dont know Madika & dont even care if she listen to what Im pointing out before she dives in the deep end. Im not bullying Madika to turn to turn to Jesus, after all who forced me to take the Christian path? Madika is grown & she already knows she is not the first person to receive this calling. Madika aint going to church even if I will beg & kiss her knees 5 time before I go to bed. What she is worried about is whether or not she will fit in with her peers. The answer is people dont always approve sum will reject u 4 being a sangoma just like sum peers reject people who turn to christian. What Madika needs right now is to be strong!

snapshot on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:52 am 



@Mmaditaba so its not me yile G yakho, just that i can’t write here ukuthi ngibonani each time i look at it so i had to settle for ukungi rocker.

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:57 am 



“What Madika needs right now is to be strong!” —> Ditto @Weiss

truth-hurts on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:40 pm 



Christians, let us not try to argue or justify our faith with those who don’t believe.. Remember, the word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing. It is futile to argue with people who do not believe the bible is the TRUTH.

The devil is a liar and he finds all sorts of creative ways for people to serve him, Christ said those are not not with us are against us! If ur a Christian then serve God thru his Son Jesus Christ, any practices that are against principles of the bible are of the devil. There is no grey area, either something is of God or not.

If u want to be a Christian then be a Christian. You cannot tamper with other spirits and expect God to bless that. Saul consulted the witch of Endor in the old testament to speak to Samuel who had died. Because of that disobidience he was defeated in war and died. The bible says you cannot drink the cup of demons and the cup of Christ.. No no, its not possible.

Many have taken the doctrines of men and made them as to be the doctrines of God. Believe what u will but anything that is NOT Holy Spirit inspired, anything that is not of the bible and anything that makes blood covenants with other gods is against God. The blood of Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and any other covenants are against that!

I will not sugar coat anything for fear of being called whatever. Serve God if u will but don’t serve God and also serve other spirits.. It doesn’t work.

TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

Bushnana on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:48 pm 



Ancestors love you so much that they come up with ways of getting your attention…its for your own good at the end of the day..yes they were poor and why ?Europeans who happedned to be Christians stole from them .. I mean even Jesus himself stole a Donkey once …and we also get told how we going to burn in hell if we dont find the Kingdom of God.. so yes Christians and Jesus operate on threats and fear as well.In my African religion we believe hore existence is just transient, when whe die we attain a Godly status where everything is forgiven irrespective of what was commited on earth.. so instead of condeming people to hell they are forgiven .. that is why your Poor irresposible uncle can also become your Ancestor one day when dies …#Teammadloziforlife

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:53 pm 



@TruthHurts mina I don’t argue about Christianity and I never see the point because whatever I would say on such topics would be too deep. The only thing that gets me talking is when Christians are crucified for stating their views,hayike apho ngilwa ngibe bomvu. Yes we can never defend God cause He is big enough to defend himself but that does not mean we will not have an opinion.

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 12:55 pm 



Kwaaaaaaaaaaa @Bushnana,did you just say Jesus pinched a donkey,lol you are very funny dude!

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:02 pm 



@truth-hurts: there you go again calling us and our beliefs evil. what makes your interpretation of the bible the only right onw? tyhini!!!

bible eo o e balang ha e buwe ka badimo? ka nnete? ebe obala efeng? musa ukungihlekisa boo!

i for one have nothing against people who choose to not believe in ancestors. it is after their choice. my problem is with people that dont understand who call us names and for some reason believe that we’re devil worshippers. it is our choice if we worship the devil akere? we’ll have to deal with ditlamorao akere?

why cant you respect our beliefs and our ways just as we respect your beliefs? kutheni nyan nyan?

MashDiva on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:05 pm 



Some people that commented have deviated completely from the question at hand. It seems like this has given them an opportunity to critise and demonise peoples beliefs. Shem I hope Madika finds comfort in some of your comments. I dont think having a ‘calling’ means you have to turn your back on God,

kwindora on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:07 pm 



1stly if being a Christian who speaks the truth is being a hypocrite then bring it on! Yes Jesus died, but rose from the dead, none of these other spiritual leaders have done it. And yes it is true God will not make you suffer because you denied His calling, Christians have callings too, like the prophetic or healing calling, I was called into that and ofcourse non-believers were against although all it required was prayer not slaughtering of animals. Anyway people believe how can you receive healing power from someone you don’t see or even know ever existed? I say how do you take orders to heal from someone who has never healed anyone while they were still alive?

On another note of why anything that’s not christian being satanic? Well the bible DOES say there are only two masters GOD and Mamon and you can serve one because He is a jealous God. Also my family believes I have the Sangoma calling but I told them they must tell their “people” will not get through to me, I was threatened with sickness and all kinds of madness but I stood firm in faith and prayer, could they touch me? No because they are dead and did not ever promise to come back! So all of you against Christians having opinions, thinking yours are right mxim go eat grass

Bushnana on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:24 pm 



Lol… Lela you remember mos whe he send his disciples to go steal the donkey for Palm Sunday or something like that .. and he said to the disciples if the owner ask you why you stealing the donkey you must say the lord needs it…if thats not criminal then i dont know what is.. but on a serious note now Madikwa ngwaneso .. your Gift is from God.. its up to you how you channel it .. nna personally I would never go thwasa .. I dont agree with a lot of the things that are done there… but I will still honour my gift by praying and taking my dreams and visions serious.. I do thanksgiving and pray at the sea and so far so good … my guides are with me all the time they even show when im about to get a flat tyre .. amadlozi a ya rocka shame

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:24 pm 



That’s what I like about @Lela as much as I know you are Christian you still RESPECT other people’s beliefs even if you don’t believe in them or agree with certain things. I know you always question (even the Christian thing Lent, lol) but you state your views in a civilized way. *U deserve a new pair of UGGs for that*

I repeat: Just because some people are not Christians doesn’t make them evil/devil I stayed in a country of atheist for some years and I learnt to respect other people’s religions, beliefs, culture, ethnicity, economic status, sexuality, etc then because we are all DIVERSE If we didn’t attend lectures on Xmas day they already knew and they respected us, Muslims around Aug/Sep will be fasting during Ramadan and we respected them. We had Bhudist, Taoist, Rastafarians,etc and we never ridiculed or said others’ beliefs are right or wrong, holy or evil.
Let’s respect people and their choices, we are all different.

Now back to @Madikwa…

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:29 pm 



@Bushnana: kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*walks to my grave, nindivuse ngelanga lesithathu*

MashDiva on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:35 pm 



Madika didnt say anything about falling ill or dying?

Vesa on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:36 pm 



@Bushnana: kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*walks to my grave, nindivuse ngelanga lesithathu*

@Letebele…Nami I’m joining you in that grave….kwaaaahaaaa! I can’t, tjo haai!!!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:46 pm 



@Bushnana le wena jwale! *serious face* hahahaha

“On another note of why anything that’s not christian being satanic? Well the bible DOES say there are only two masters GOD and Mamon and you can serve one because He is a jealous God.” @kwindora so that means Atheists are Satanic? Yet they don’t believe in anything at all? Please educate me here I might have to reclaim my Anthropology semester course fee.
“He is a jealous God” —> Tyler Perry’s Diary of a Mad Black Woman…

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:49 pm 



@Letebele and @Vesa I’m right behind you.. Lolest!

truth-hurts on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:52 pm 



All I am saying is that let’s not be decieved in calling things that are NOT of God Godly. Let people practice what they will, but I will call a spade a spade. I will not lie and say that spiritual interactions that are not Christ or Holy Spirit inspired are gifts from God.
That’s the problem with Christians, we want to take what we want from the bible and on the side we want to practice and serve other gods because it suits us. Let us be NO COMPROMISE Christians that’s all I am saying.

If u are not Christian then that’s fine. But if u believe in God and the bible, then show me where God condones or accepts spirits that are not of the Holy Spirit or of his Angels! There is only one way to God and that’s thru Christ as I said earlier. Everything else is a deception and anywhere where blood is shed a covenant is made! And since Christ shed his blood, that’s the only covenant to aknowledge.. It was made once and for all.

There is only Good and evil, things of Christ and things of the devil. There’s nothing inbetween.. So question is, whatever u practice is it of God? If not then who is it of!?

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 1:54 pm 



@Madika: i hope ngwana batho hore some comments helped you coz most of them are just hilarious shem.

@Vesa: masihambe wethu

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:01 pm 



Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *joins the que to the grave* Bushnana you special! @SS thanks for the new uggs ngafa amakhaza.Here’s the deal,i will keep them here at work and only wear them when I’m sitting,ngeke all these other things are not warm enough maan!

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:08 pm 



i am a christian and therefore do not judge. whether you’re hindu, islam,christian,jewish….ha e batle nna eo. what matters to me are my beliefs. maybe BS must ask someone to write about Hindu/Islam/Jewish. i’d love to read those comments from our beloved bloggers.

until then, I’ma read on and lmbsao (laugh my black sangoma *ss off) coz ke matha kampa fatshe ke di tsheo!!!!

Botshelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:10 pm 



@ Soul Sista, the bible says Jesus died and rose again. Do you count him amongst the dead?

SilentnoMore on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:15 pm 



Hi Madikwa,

I’m in a similar predicament but have not taken that leap of faith as you have…Firstly with the workplace (pre-empted) issues, I do not think you have to worry too about it: The Constitution (which is the conerstone of our labour laws) guarantees you your religious rights and belief systems, and as i understand discrimination in any form is not tolerated. In the event that the unfortunate event does occue, however, you have recourse either at work or if it proves unsatisfactory there are other forums that can aid, example the Human Rights Commission etc.

With regards the change in perceptions from colleagues and your social peers, that i’m afraid is inevitable, people form opinions (whether good or bad) and prejudices too when they do not fully comprehend something. Its human nature to box things into our pre existing concepts and ideas, and if there is no match then this creates the negativity in views. However, if this is a concern for you i think what you can do is call those interested (either close colleagues and friends) and have a Q&A session where you basically set out your understanding of what you are about ot embark on and voice your fears and concerns and project their fear to. And to an extent appeal to their conscious as friends to support you either way, i.e. whether they believe in what you are about to do or not. Then you can take it from there, true friends will stick with you regardless…

To the concern regarding your social capital, re clubbing etc… I think this is between you and your ancestors, and you should ask them for guidance. Sometimes the norm is you should avoid noisy surroundings etc, like clubs, public transport…because some people’s amadlozi avuka around these noisy situations and end up ‘saying things’ people do not want to hear.

As to the comments I think it quite dissappointing that people recognise the ‘need for Jesus’ etc and the added obligation to explain the various nuances of the traditional healing practice. From the little that I know is that African culture and consequently its faith system is heavily symbolic, and keeping up and maintaining those practices that maintain a line of communication between ancestors and healer. Its not just merely the medicine (as in the western culture, where headache equals panado as a cure), but it’s spiritual healing too. It’s not the Bible and to an extent does not conform to the writings of the Bible, we get that. But to be equated to the devil and spawns of the devils is very judgemental! In practicing traditional medicines and culture I in no way induce, coerce or even go on mass recruits calling on people to use my services. People go to Traditional healers voluntarily…yes people come with great expectations that problems would dissappear, such is not always the case. Sometimes they get it wrong sometimes they get it right, but to be crucified for believing in ancestors is unconscionable! Personally I do not need Jesus and his Bible, nginoNkulunkulo namaNdlozi ami..and I do not want to serve a jealous God either, mine is perfect without human weaknesses. So abantu neBible labo please sikhathele let us be this is not a Christian state or world for that matter…asikhola nge mistake sabekwa nguQhamata nathi….

Pardon the blog within the blog.
Peace be with you Madikwa.

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:16 pm 



Lol @Sangoma ass,you people are special stru!
Can those who want to recieve Jesus say this after me: “Lord Jesus,I believe that you are the Son of God,I believe you died and rose again on the third day. I now recieve you as my Lord and Saviour.Be Lord over all in my life, Amen!” Now you are born again enjoy your new life in Christ.

Botshelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:21 pm 



. I mean even Jesus himself stole a Donkey once @Bushnana If you are referring to Makr 11 story, go read it again. you misunderstood it love

DexSUPERIOR on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:24 pm 



The funny thing is that all these ancestors are either rotting in hell or enjoying a life of total bliss in heaven. They dont have time for things of the earth. They couldn’t care less if you slaughter every weekend. They are nothing but dead human beings. Their work on earth ended when they died. So slaughter those goats, sheep and cows (remind me again who ends up eating all that meat? YOU. Not your ancestors…even though its meant “for them” LOL). I think we’ve exhausted this topic. Next one…

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:27 pm 



@SilentnoMore: joweeeeeeeee ndikuthandile!!!! OMG! Eish JC must have a DM option BS…lol

@Lela: Amen, Siyavuma!

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:28 pm 



Lol,she is refereing to it Botshelo,that is why I find it very funny!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:29 pm 



“There is only one way to God and that’s thru Christ as I said earlier. Everything else is a deception…”

“There is only Good and evil, things of Christ and things of the devil. There’s nothing inbetween..”

Haibo! And all along I always thought God is for all of us who believe in Him, how we get through him is the only thing that differs… So the Rastafarians are wasting their time with “Jah Bless!” Those that use the Holy Quran and get to “Allah” through Muhammad are also being deceived? @truth o ntsoreng hantle?
So since one is not for Christ but for Buddha that person is for the devil? Tjo! I hear I fear.

I’ll stay in that @Lebele’s grave till Jesus comes … Wait a second! Come from where because he is alive? #DoneWithMe

@Lela no problem you deserve that. Hahahaha

Vesa on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:30 pm 



Personally I do not need Jesus and his Bible, nginoNkulunkulo namaNdlozi ami..and I do not want to serve a jealous God either, mine is perfect without human weaknesses. So abantu neBible labo please sikhathele let us be this is not a Christian state or world for that matter…asikhola nge mistake sabekwa nguQhamata nathi….

@SilentnoMore….you want to tell me you believe in God, but not in the bible? How did you come to know of God?

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:30 pm 



@Dextor’s Lab: uthini na? kwaaaaaaaaaa! how are you? there’s a reason why i’m asking. pls be honest with me. unangaki?

Jahara on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:37 pm 



After all is said & done…
…we can only hope for Madika to be strong,to accept the thing she cannot change, to change the things she cannot accept, & to live with the consequences of her decisions.

#TeamChristianity

SilentnoMore on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:38 pm 



@Vesa, it is true that the concept of God and the Bible are conflated. Before the Bible came, my people (who are now ancestors) believed in God as I do too. My understanding of God is not informed by the Bible as it might be the case for you, my understanding is informed by my cultural practices and belief system. It is a bitter pill to swallow for staunch Christians, but it is my understanding that there are different ways (or paths) to God. Some have Allah and the Quran, some have Bhudha and the holy scriptures, some have the Bagvagitha and all the Hindu Gods that are espoused there, but as a commonality we all have our own unique understanding of God that is not necessarily informed by Judao-Christianity. I hope you answered!

eve on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:43 pm 



Christianity,Islam, Hindu like anything else is about “CONVICTION”

conviction means – an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence

Christians believe in God – whom they have never seen

Sangomas believe in both God and Anscestors (forefathers)

Can the judging stop already “Live and Let Live”, God is the only one who has a right to judge us.

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:44 pm 



@SilentnoMore I wish I can Hi5 you in person… At least I see that I’m not strange.

@Botshelo can you tell me your own opinion not what the Bible says… On 2nd thoughts leave it…

SilentnoMore on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:45 pm 



@eve and the apple gravatar, how appropriate…a woman after my own heart:-)

DontDoIt on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:48 pm 



I’m with my fellow Christians on this one……Don’t Do It!!!!!

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:48 pm 



I’m sorry @Letebele but I just can’t stop laughing at your Sangoma ass…#OnlyOnJC

Wild Island on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:54 pm 



True: Its not a must that all people who went there should be Sangomas full-time

so sisi u wont be fired pls…follow your calling leteng it depends hore u wanna please batho ngokuthi bazothini but wazi kahle at the end of the day uzabe usokola uyi1…

well with me kohae my mom’s ide kebaprofeta,sangomas,my dad’s side kebazalwane so nana hoya kawena hore okgetha tsela efeng ok

*my aunt is a working sangoma and works for absa and osale koo…
*Afriend ke tea lady mospaneng and she’s not descriminated against love

do what u know is right by u

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 2:57 pm 



I love my JC! I’ve been here since i came in this morning and that’s coz ya’ll talk impukane man!! i’ve been laughing the whole day.

i’m actauly finding these ‘insults’ to be very funny ngoba i just realized that the reason you ‘re insulting us and calling us devil worshipers is because you’re realy clueless about us. and trying to make you understand is like to trying to squeeze blood out of a stone. so its okay. ku right man. ho lokile. dis reg so.

Botshelo on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:07 pm 



@ Soul Sista, lets talk after yoou’ve done Lela’s prayer.

I thank you

Bushnana on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:15 pm 



Botshelo how am i misunderstanding the verse?? i mean its not like it was written by Shakespeare where intepretation is needed

SilentNomore you are making a lot of sense ..I wonder where these christians would be without their Bible ..they should p

DexSuperior when we slaughter its for the people to eat the meat .. not ancestors .. same like when you give money in church akere le wena wa tseba its not going to God but Ntate Moruti?? yes man .. dont be like that now #inmycolouredaccent#

Mmaditaba on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:15 pm 



Hehehehehehehehe! Wohohohohohohoho wo0wi jah naareh hehehe gegegegehe ei yah yes maan tltltltltlt

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:17 pm 



Kwaaaaaaaaa @Botselo!! Tjo! By fire by force!

eve on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:19 pm 



@SilentnoMore

mamamia on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:27 pm 



Bazwalane and the cultural observors have answered you Madikwe. Your questions are valid but don’t be fooled your life will definitely change, you will lose some friends, some colleagues will be threatened by your new found image it all goes with the territory so don’t be surprised. Just as much as people thing Bazwalanes are judgemental lunatics, some actually think di sangoma tsa loya, go ya ka gore what kind of person you are at the end of the day. As long as you can leave with your choice.

mamamia on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:33 pm 



Sekgoa sang ferekana, i meant to say as long as you can live with your choice. heish maan.

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:36 pm 



Mmaditaba are you praying in tongues? Lol @SS you will say the sinner’s prayer by fire by force.

Wild Island on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 3:53 pm 



hai labuwa hle *ere kebale bofore kebuwa*

Monei on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:01 pm 



Madikwa,

As a bank employee, I agree with those who say you are protected constitutionally. Organisations (esp banks) also want to embrace the diversity and cultures of their employees as they want to pride themselves in it and attract all sorts of talent on the basis of talent being talent irrespective of race, culture, beliefs, health status,gender, etc.so as long as you do your job as agreed, you should be fine.

Socially, I don’t speak from personal experience but will paraphrase what a friend said to me. She’s never bn a social butterfly but did the odd party and drinking. She has since gone vegetarian after twasaring and refused to slaughter blood for her thing coz she didnt see what the chicken had to do with her spirituality (i think). Anyways, she said nothing stops you from going back to you normal life but what would’ve bn the point of it all if one is going to act unchanged after going thru ALL of that. I equated that to as a Christian having accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour etc, then going back to one’s carnal ways.

on a friend and family level, communicating it would help so they don’t assume anything and think u’r no longer Madikwa. Remind them you’re stil 27, educated, loving, etc just some spiritual and lifestyle changes upcoming.

Recall that you can’t please everyone. Just aim to be at peace with yourself. I believe my God loves you either way and wishes the best for you, whichever way you may end up following him.

All the best!

Bootylicious on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:08 pm 



Madika dear good luck on your journey, I believe u have made a choice that is good for you and makes you happy. I hope someday u will come back on JC and give us a testimony about ur journey. I am a born again christian and do not believe in sangomas and I will not argue with anyone bcos I don’t know how this sangoma stfuff works however I know that u can never serve god and ancestors at the same time, its either god or ancestors. Bible yaka e re ke modimo o lefufa

mamamia on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:09 pm 



The black culture (amasiko) is full of hypocricy and double standards, minna i gave up on it a long time ago!!!
The people who know what they’re doing have supposedly died a long time ago and it never occured to them to write stuff down, where did they think we would get the info from.
Now its all just a profit making scheme. Sneeze fela and you have a calling or idlozi, sometimes it sounds a tad ignorant, that’s why Africa is still dark to this day.

MsRooi on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:11 pm 



Lmfao I can’t! *grabs blanket and winter pyjama’s* ..Joins @soulsista, @lela, @vesa and @letebele on The Long Walk To The Graveyard.. Ke kopa sefela ladies.. “Somebody izzz calling ma name..” *in kiki’s voice*

mamamia on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:33 pm 



Huwi, batho ka mo bare bibele iya bheda, you have livers truly. Come judgement day the Lord will whip out these blog pages and say “explain what you meant when you said i stole a donkey” ke tshaba go bonna.

I can imagine some ancestors ba phiga infront of God going, “joh skang gafela ke le kae because nne ke bhodile speak for yourself ntanga”

It’s going to be a story i’m telling you.

*Sits and wait for judgement day*

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:38 pm 



@MsRooi: kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! deathby Ke kopa sefela ladies.. “Somebody izzz calling ma name..” *in kiki’s voice*

you just made my day! Girl, i have tears in my eyes and my stomach is really sore! you killed it! JC award for best line of the day goes to you hands down! classic i tell you! Lond live the queen!

*joins you in song – somebody’s callin, somebody’s callin, somebody’s callin my name*

MashDiva on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:44 pm 



Dead and buried by some comments…and now ke le dlozi…lol

Letebele on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:48 pm 



@Mashdiva: i was actually thinking that re ma dlozi aJC. we must first bless BS with the gift. woza Lelo, you hve a calling from us and if you dont respect it, uzofa BUT if you accept, you wil not enter the kingdom of God.

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:55 pm 



Letebele…I feel like we should meet for coffee neng-neng hle…Kea nahana fela…

MashDiva on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 4:58 pm 



@Letebele ya neh!!! Ekare keya bona, Ms Lelo ka di beads le nyoko mo hlohong…DEAD again

soul sista on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 5:01 pm 



Lol @MashDiva that a great one, we are always speaking from beyond the grave coz we always die here on JC.
@Letebele & @MsRooi you made my day… *sings along…la bitswa lebitso laka…*

princesskoena on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 6:38 pm 



bathong whats happenin to the world mara guys do u even read ur bible wait do u even have them.christians r not judgemental they just knw the truth.i saw sangomas acceptin jesus @ my church they even talked about how they used to deceive people…sangomas used to heal people now they r helpin people to kill people did u see their brouchers in town guys how can u go to a sangoma to get a man some thngs r just pure witchcraft.read ur bibles guys n as for ths woman hu asked lelo for advice should go to the nearest church pastor chris or pastor irene.full stop.n oh ths no such as ancestors.

Jellytot on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 6:54 pm 



@dexsuperior do yourself a favour and watch soweto tv on sunday night. I saw a woman giving birth to a fish, how mbhoro did it, i dont know. But seems like he has tons of followers in his church.

Litoh Manyoko Scholes on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 7:47 pm 



We all are entitled to what we believe and what you believe in never mislead you.I am an African Methodist,which means I WORSHIP GOD AND HONOUR MY ANCESTORS.Ancestor are not God though but as Africans,they work hand and glove with God.

Litoh Manyoko Scholes on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 7:51 pm 



We all are entitled to what we believe and what you believe in never mislead you.I am an African Methodist,which means I WORSHIP GOD AND HONOUR MY ANCESTORS.Ancestor are not God though but as Africans,they work hand and glove with God.IN MY LOVELY ISIXHOSA “sinqula UTHIXO,sihlonipha IZINYANYA”.A calling is a calling.

blunt on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 7:56 pm 



Walks to ZCC

FunkyFK on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:22 pm 



I thought I should share with all

http://africanpastorsconference.com/2008/04/ancestor-worship-biblical-or-not/

Madika on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:25 pm 



Shoooo! Your comments are interesting… @Letebele n Smatsatsa can I join u 4 that coffee?

Nerlee on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 8:35 pm 



God is 4 us ol—> Sangoma, Dlozi, Mzakes, Gays, Les etc LIVE & LET LIVE

princesskoena on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 9:26 pm 



cnt blve ppl put ancestors n GOD in one sentence like really now *rme*
Y do sangomas say they wil help u win the lotto whereas they r poor isnt that insanity.ancestors dnt exist its just evil spirits how can a 14 year old have a callin take ths ppl to true christian churches plz

Litoh Manyoko Scholes on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:29 pm 



@princesskoena,believe in what makes you live,but before you judge please read and do yourself a favour by looking at what and how those people put their beliefs into.I wonder if you think your passed on “dead” grandparents are now evil,because its what in an African beliefs know was guiding us before a White man introduced a Holy Bible to Africa,which opened our minds.I STILL WORSHIP GOD and HONOUR MY ANCESTORS.Don’t change what what you believe in because its what makes you live.

FunkyFK on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:34 pm 



“Ke go kgotla ka monwana mo maragong, ke ntsha ntho e go tshwenyang ka mo gare. Le wena ko gae o shebiling TV, ke ya go kgotla” #Mbhoro

Lela on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 10:38 pm 



Why are u discriminating against us,nathi siyeza for coffee tshi! Lol @JC people who have died and are now ancestors. Isn’t that line from Thiwe’s song Letebele it sounds familiar,that was a nice song n i remember i used to say imandi ke lengoma yalomtana uba nje ibingathethi ngamadlozi,same with Thandiswa’s ebusuku andilali ndizingelwa zizilo,luv that song n i find maself singin it wishin it had different lyrics.

Litoh Manyoko Scholes on Mon, 18th Apr 2011 11:07 pm 



That means the singers go same route with me then.

phindiku on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 5:38 am 



I refuse to believe that all the blck pple who died before the white men came with the bible were devil worshipers, excuse my ignorance if may……

‘And Jesus said, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone’

PS: I am a Christian.

Maihlomeihlasele on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 6:35 am 



@Letebele ya neh!!! Ekare keya bona, Ms Lelo ka di beads(tsa bling) le nyoko mo hlohong…DEAD again…..**WALKS TO AVALON LOOKS FOR ANY OPEN GRAVE TO JUMP INTO**

Maratahelele on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 9:12 am 



After reading your comments,I just felt I should say something.It directly to BORN AGAIN christians.I hope you dnt take this is bashing you.

I think ya’ll need to chill a bit.I am believer of christ and his grace.Madika asked us to advice her on the Pro and Cons of being a sangoma.She never wanted to know if being a sangoma is satanic or not.Instead of just shutting up if you felt you had nothing to say to her,ya’ll come bashing her with the bible.Just cause we believe our bible is the way,remember its not for everyone and we need to respect that.

We are not in this world to save souls by bashing them with the bible,we should all strive to be christ-like so people can see Yashua through us.I feel we have lost too many souls due to this kind of behavior.When a person talks about Madlozi,tell the person that you dnt believe in Madlozi.If they are interested in knowing what you believe in,then tell them.Madika is avoiding becoming a sangoma due to the attitude we Christian give to people like her.Question is WOULD HAVE JESUS SAID THE STUFF YA’LL SAID TO MADIKA IF HE WAS US??I doubt.

The way ya’ll go on,you would swear saving souls will give you a ticket to heaven on his second coming.Instead of always going on about saving souls,praying in tongues(Which never make sense to people),rather work on your attitude,strive to be christ-like,and hopEfully people like Madika will see the light through you.

Madika sister,dnt stress yourself about people like us.If you believe in Madlozi,hope it works out for you.Just remember to change gears and look upon Jesus if Madlozi do not work out for you.

Madika on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 9:39 am 



@Maratahelele Thank you so much. Well said

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 10:56 am 



Thokoza Gogo

To heed the call or not will depend solemnly on you. You alone know the struggle of having weird things happen around without explanation.

Sometimes, goya lefehlong(ukutwasa) means that you might be required to stop doing certain things, such as Clubbing cos this happens at night, when you should be sleeping and talking to badimo.

Depending on what badimo bahao wants, some might just want you to phahla only and that’s it/life goes back to normal, cos not every sangoma is meant to sebetsa batho, but if your Call is to sebetsa batho,then your path would be long and difficult and you might end up losing your current job, as this type of training requires your time.

One thing I can advise you on is , from now on/write each and everyone of your dreams down, because that’s where your answers are and do not go to any Random sangoma for advice, if don’t dream them, don’t approach them.

Miss_Tshidi on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 11:00 am 



Its sad that Christains are the most Judgmental of all.
is it Ghandhi that said, I do not have a problem with your Christ, i just dont like his followers…?

thank you Maratahelele.

Maratahelele on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 11:34 am 



@Miss Tshidi,christians turn to forget something,we chose to follow Jesus,nobody forced us to.Just because we have faith that Jesus died and rose from the dead,it should not be the blue print of everyone’s life but a blue print for those who believe in it.Once we start making it look like our believe is superior,then we are losing what Jesus was all about,being humble and not judging other people’s believes.

Then they come here to tell us that they are not judging but telling the truth,if you tell a non believer that his believe is satanic,you are simply JUDGING that person,no matter how you sugar coat it.Rather let that person know your believe without bashing his believe.This is the same problem I have with DA,bashing ANC without telling us what they are all about.

GRACE is for everyone,even those sangomas,they just have to accept it,lets stop forcing it on them like it will save us if they are saved…

Polly on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 1:18 pm 



“Ke go kgotla ka monwana mo maragong, ke ntsha ntho e go tshwenyang ka mo gare. Le wena ko gae o shebiling TV, ke ya go kgotla” #Mbhoro

Hahahaha Funky, you just killed me hey. lol

Polly on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 1:25 pm 



You are making a lot of sense Maratahelele, well said!!

LJFOREVER on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 2:55 pm 



1st of all, Madika didn’t ask whether it was right or wrong to embark on her “ancestral” journey because she has already made that decision. Her concern was labour related. You people have taken this whole thing out of context & blew it out of proportion. You busy arguing about your beliefs instead of focusing on the crux of the matter, which is balancing traditional obligations with employment environments. If you are a mzelwane, good for you. If you are a mzcc, good for you. If u are a mpostolo, good for you. If you worship rats & dogs, good for you. If you don’t believe, good for you. If you are judgmental, screw you!

Letebele on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 3:17 pm 



@Maratahelele & LJForever: Amen,siyavuma!

@Miss_Tshidi: Thokoza mntane’dlozi.

Gosh I’m smiling from ear to ear coz JC has just introduced me to aboGogo namaKhehla*bbm big smile emoticon*

Lela on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 3:27 pm 



Our first mandate as Christians is to point people to Christ so I personally will do that whenever I can I am not on JC to enter a popularity contest or to try and be politically correct. When there’s a topic that calls for me to talk about Christ I will whether Maratawhatwhat feels it’s ok or not. I do not remember anyone here bible bashing the woman,they just said she needs Jesus,which is the truth according to christian belief now should they keep quiet even though they feel that is what she needs. Is that what you think Jesus would do? when he sat with tax collectors and sinners what do u think he was talking to them about,that they should continue with their lives the way they were,well I don’t think so and therefore I will point people to Christ. Respecting people’s beliefs does not mean we supress our owm,mna i will not shen,id rather not be politically correct or popular.

Madika on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 3:50 pm 



@Letebele seems like i got a lot to learn from you.

LJFOREVER on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 4:03 pm 



You people just don’t get it… Do you? Since when did the lady say she’s confused about her beliefs? This is not about who’s better between Jesus & ancestors! Who ever said this was about being politically correct? #jerrrrr!!! #bathong!!! 0_o

LJFOREVER on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 4:09 pm 



Want to know how Jesus was turned into a god? Here’s an interesting link for those interested – http://www.prudentialpublishing.info/ #wearingabulletproofvest&sprinklingholywater

Lela on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 4:18 pm 



Lol LJ you don’t need you bullet proof vest cause i won’t read your link,i don’t read such things.

Ma2Stash on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 4:37 pm 



@Maratahelele for president ..yazini u nailed it sham no matter how much you sugar coat it saying someone else is worshipping the devil just because they not fully commited to Jesus is JUDGEMENTAL qha !!! and what really disturbed me is someone saying dead people are now demons haibo bazalwane..my gran nor my mom nor my lil sis are demons just because they no longer on this earth waiting for Jesus to come back haibo …

anyhoo Madiki sisi i just decipher all the positive advice from this post and use it to help u embark on this journey you are about to take

Mmaditaba on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 5:15 pm 



Madika you are still in my prayers sisi..

Madika on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 8:40 pm 



I think ppl need to read the post again before they comment. Its not about whether its right or wrong to pursue this journey nor is it about getting ‘approval’ from ‘bazalwane’. Its not about choosing God over Badimo, its not a choice because for me they work hand in glove. I believe that Badimo were created by God and whatever ‘powers’ they have is from God.There is absolutely nothing evil about my forefathers. This posts is about the lifestyle change and perceptions,and the stigma attached to being a sangoma or even just having the calling. Thank you so much for your contributions. I think some of your comments have equiped me with how to deal with the reaction in my workplace and amongst my friends and family memebers.

FunkyFK on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 9:16 pm 



There is a huge difference between being judgemental and rebuking. I wish people can take time and look for that difference.

Fab Tee on Tue, 19th Apr 2011 10:52 pm 



standing ovation for maratahele,well put bhuti,many souls have indeed been lost due to the way we Christians act towards them,judgmental and acting all superior sinyuse impumlo to whtever is ‘unChristian’,yet we ourselves have speck in our own eyes!,what u said about would Jesus been proud of the way everyone went about ‘advising’ Madika,i think not,it was rather condescending!

Maratahelele on Wed, 20th Apr 2011 9:24 am 



Nna I give up on @LeLa and all the holier than everyone.You keep going back to one thing that you should avoid,stopping forcing Christianity to people,aow bathong.

I am not saying people should not discuss their believes,I am not saying we should accept Sangomas and Badimo,all I am saying is lets respect other people’s choices the same way they respect ours.I dnt hear people trying to convince us to join Badimo ba bona but here we are always trying to win SOULS.I repeat,we are not in a business of saving SOULS but to live like CHRIST,hopefully through this,we will make them to accept this GRACE that JESUS-YAHSHUA gave us when he died on the cross.

What you guys are doing is pushing more people away from CHRIST.The more we talk,the more people dnt want to be associated with us.And by the way @Lela and all of ya’ll,people only started attacking Christians when “we” went on about how MADIKA needs JESUS.Even if Madika needs JESUS,she never asked you and everyone to tell her about it,she just wanted advice on how being a sangoma will affect her life.IF you guys did not have answers to that,JUST SHUT UP,simple as that,SILENCE IS GOLDEN.

Nkare you guys are going to get rewards for winning SOULS wa tseba,the sad reality is we will all be judged alone,wish you guys can focus more on your relationship with YAHSHUA and hopefully through him,many lives including yours could be saved.Praying in toungues that people never understand will not help anybody,telling people they need YAHSHUA when they are grieving,hungry,sad,confused,will not help that person.

I am done with this topic,my brotheren just maak my mal,aowa…

Letebele on Wed, 20th Apr 2011 9:36 am 



@Maratahelele: Jo! le ha oka thola.

Smatsatsa sa Welkom on Wed, 20th Apr 2011 12:09 pm 



@Maratahelele- oe qetile taba,kereke e tswile!

Ma2Stash on Wed, 20th Apr 2011 1:34 pm 



*claps hands* for Maratahelele u dun closed this chapter hope no one has a comeback it”ll be like starting from comment one again *sigh*

Madika on Wed, 20th Apr 2011 2:36 pm 



TOPIC CLOSED!!

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