The Initial Lie (Genesis)

TheAxiom on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:22 am 



Very interesting article Fana.

Thato on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:30 am 



Saw tooo many bible verses on this post, will have to read when I am sober! Good night bazalwane!

MissGalaxy on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:43 am 



Nyt Thato…really great and profound read–n yes as a christian I 2 have questioned the bible and its writer,whoever they actually are, but I will refrain from dis debate… God shall remain in my heart I am a believer of a higher power and that’s Him…Great thesis n mind boggling indeed #i thank you

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:44 am 



LOL @ Moses is the same guy who wrote Harry Potter….

“…After reading this, please do not dare say I am going to hell. You are not Satan’s receptionist.” Tltltltltltltltltltl

Mini lilo on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:56 am 



Nice article but am going to refrain from commenting………..I kind of lost what you were saying somewere along the lines though

sbozh on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:05 am 



Your questions & approach is too literal Shitshembiso . .

lebza4sh0 on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:26 am 



Nice read, but I prefer to silent tweet when it comes to religion and the bible

Kheswa on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:06 am 



Eish, am not gonna lie, sometimes I do ask myself silly questions such as, What if there is no Heaven, the Heaven that we are hoping to go to one day is actually here?..God forgive me for such thoughts…tjo! lemme stop here bfr uQamata hears me:):)

soul sista on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:39 am 



Hehehehehe I won’t even lie, I had some great laughs here, the receptionist, Lord of the rings, building an ark as a “project” lolest

Interesting piece indeed. I’m gonna enjoy the comments/debate in silentville.

Kiki on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:05 am 



Kwaaaaaaa @ this “After reading this, please do not dare say I am going to hell. You are not Satan’s receptionist” *dead*

MissAN on Fri, 13th May 2011 6:11 am 



Me:Dumelang bo mme le bo ntate MissGalaxy: Sanibonani bo mama na madoda tl tl tl

@ Sboz yeb,I agree too literal. Again the bible in Revelation does state that whoever removed or added to it will have to answer to God,He must be well aware that it was written by humans and we know we not the most trustyworthybunch maybe the edition we have is not what was in the very 1st bible. Nami I do question the bible but at the same time as it puts it,somethings are just too magnificent for the human mind to comprehend,even Einsteins IQ will not match manje mina ngingubani thinking I am intelligent. There bible is just guidance on how we should conduct our lives and God doesnt force us,I dont dwell too much on the stories and doubt they will get me my ticket to heaven all I care about is the Son,the Father,the Holyspirit and Love. BTW the book of Ecclesesties sp,wow!-@ Maditaba please find those verses I mentioned,tu-

Fezzy on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:22 am 



God created the heaven and the earth and he created us. Now my questions is : Who created God? Where did he come from?
I have asked this question since I was a kid.
We are told that when we die, we will go to heaven and then the Jehovahs Witnesses tell us that we are not going to heaven.
Which is which?

lolaluv on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:45 am 



hayi nam i have asked so many questions when it comes the Bible because its a book.we all know nje when you write a book u have to add a spasanyane nje so that you readers dont get bored.africans are not even mentioned in the Bible not even one character is named(black name) after us.oh well…

lolaluv on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:46 am 



sorry for the typos..kusekuseni!

Pidoss on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:54 am 



i have to get time to read the bible a bit!i’m clueless when it cums to di verse and all that!but its a interesting coloumn!i was like tjo,lol,ah and all that!

Nonkuku on Fri, 13th May 2011 8:20 am 



Kwaaaaaaaa @ Satans receptionist. #done with me!

Kay let me read on

MsTeee on Fri, 13th May 2011 8:38 am 



@Nonkuku ur user name neh….. almost thought I saw @Nonkawu there for a sec tltltltllt

lorrelai on Fri, 13th May 2011 8:41 am 



ohkay, I’m a sensitive reader + it’s too long. so i’ll swiftly move to another blog. I’m sure it’s interesting though.

mzuaqe on Fri, 13th May 2011 8:42 am 



Things that make go TJO!
*JC izolo!
*and This Article

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:00 am 



Brilliant post Fana and u my dear have a beautiful mind.

I love your writing and ur style and the wittiness plus that sharp stingy sense of humor.

I really loved reading this and didn’t even skip a note.

U captured and heightened my mind thru out till the end.

Now this is what I call thought provoking memoirs.

*bows and applauds*

beyonce on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:00 am 



For me 2 questions about the Bible have bothered me since Bible Study:

1. How did we get to black,chinese,indian people from Adam & Eve ?
2. & the fact that the off spring ka Adam no Eve were boys ?

If any 1 can fill in the missing link, please

OsamaLady on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:08 am 



In Genesis 2:5 it is stated “there was not a man to till the ground.” God had not created a man to be a farmer as of yet. At this time, in Genesis 2:7, God formed man (Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Thus creating the first farmer.

the bible therefore can not be trusted! too many mysteries, too many loopholes. afterall, it was written by MAN and not GOD. the bible is of the babylon system, it was created to control the humankind. it is by far (religion) the largest scam to have ever existed

OsamaLady on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:14 am 



I think if one is to report on the bible and what it states, be sure to do proper research and don’t write from the top of your head. now there’ll be pastors and nuns blogging on JC. let me consult pastor Mboro… or pastor Chris

OsamaLady on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:15 am 



and no, Adam and Eve later had a daughter, her name was Seth! thanks

OsamaLady on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:16 am 



okay so seth was also a boy? *throws bible into bin*

Lela on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:21 am 



All these questions and answers or lack thereof show that God’s ways are higher than ours and our most intelligent state is foolishness to Him. That is why a life lived in God is lived by faith. Good Morning, may God bless the writer of this article now and forever amen! Molo MissAn.

Bushnana on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:26 am 



Nice article but yesess its long…I have always wondered myself hore why God doesnt just get rid of Satan.. He is after all his onw creation.. The story of creation ke tshomo feela ya Tselane le Dimo.. I think the Bible was created by Politicians to control the masess back then ..

Maratahelele on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:26 am 



I dnt understand why we keep having articles of Christians vs Non Christians cause its a topic that will never end.The same way I was against christians attacking Madika,I am against this article that tries hard to make fun of other people’s believe.If u dnt bv in the bible,let us be.

Yes some parts of the bible might not make sense but the ones u raised are a bit stupid if I may say.Firstly,God has given us the power of choice.He gave A&E that choice hence even the tree was not hidden from them.U should also not forget that the same devil u r confused that he exists or not has powers to confuse people like u and A&E.Gods plan was not to hide the truth from us but to protect us from it.If he was so selfish and had a big ego like u say,he could have just hidden the stupid tree.

Talking about Noah makes me laugh.Ur arguement is so lame that u lost some creditability with it.Firstly even science agrees that people in the past could live for long years.Age was. Not really that much of a factor in those days hence it was easy for Noah to build the ark while he was that old.It also took him a century to build the ark,are u telling me its not possible to build something of that magnitude in 100years?come on now fana.As for him eating the animals,how sure are u that he was killing them in front of other animals??U talk about raw meat,you are really funny and think a lil small for someone who thinks he is that smart.Plastic boats have stoves and dnt burn down but u want to make it sound like Noah did not have a fire place to get warm in that rain!The same fireplace that could cook anything.U are smart Fana,dnt tell me u did not think about that.

Lastly,isn’t it funny how u end your funny story by being on GOD’s side.The same GOD that u think does not exist.I knw u going to say u blv in GOD but not the bible.I got news for u,if it wasn’t of the same bible,u wouldn’t have something called “GOD” today.If u dnt blv in the bible,call whatever u call “GOD” something else like shoe,pere,Monkey,flower or something,just dnt use the bible name of our father or else SATAN is playing with your mind son cause u secretly blv in God,the son and the holy spirit.

BTW,those who question if GOD and heaven really exists,just know that even if it ddnt exist,true christians would have still lived the life they live today.If you only living it to be saved in the second coming,then you have not heard the real word.

Sorry for a blog within a blog.I hardly comment for this same reasons,have too much to say…

Mathaz on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:35 am 



The word of God is foolishness to those who do not believe in it. I believe in the trinity, God the father, the son and the holy ghost. I belive that God is and he is a rewarder of those who dligently seek him.

I was going to write a full essay on your questions but you seem to be mocking the word of God and not trying to seek the truth. God is real and so is hell.

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:36 am 



everybody is entitled to their opinion…..
Religion is a very sensetive issue….

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:38 am 



@Mathaz was going to write a full essay on your questions but you seem to be mocking the word of God and not trying to seek the truth. God is real and so is hell.<——— TRUTH!!!

Letebele on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:39 am 



Jo! *claps once*
I will read this when i’m bored or drunk, ngoba ayifundeki tu. Its like I’m reading something written by my 5yr old niece.

Mhlawumbi when insomnia attacks in the early hours, i’ll make time to read this, after going through all the articles on JC twice.

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:50 am 



Okay yah ne Fana .literal hey .contridictory is your article. Hahaha at the hell comment!

B4 i dcide whether to silentblog or nt .Fana ngicela ukubuza bhutwami: how did you come to believe in God?

MissAN : LOL. Just for sake of quest plz check Romans 9:1-33 and (fana u cn plz do the same) then cum bk 2 me darl.mwah

Oh and also Fana. May i ask again,lol _have you read the whole bible? (with undrstanding nt the intenti0n to judge God’s nobality)

haha.sory had to add this –> 2Peter 1:20:21 .just to answer the whole ‘man made the bible nt God’

plz if u cn.just read those two scriptures nyana .lol erhm and also 2Tim 3:16 backs up 2Peter 1:20-21

ziz-g on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:50 am 



Fana,nice read man..but it just makes me feel bad,kanti the Bible says such?? *dead*”God and satan are still enemies,will it ever end?” God forgive me for backing up this question! I won’t lie to you,one day i’ll read the bible,probably when there are answers!

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 9:59 am 



@ Maratehele (sp)

I will google this myself but please just help me with a link or whatever where I can read about people in the past living for 100 plus years and still being fit enough in something as strenuous as construction especially at that level.

Also I hope that all Christians understand that God isn’t a Christian concept. It did not bring about the inception of the word etc.

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:03 am 



Christians will never ever have a constructive debate/analogy without insulting others…ever

TheAngel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:03 am 



Very “interesting” that you have raised this issue. I’m currently doing my theology thesis on this Book and here’s my Godly’s worth lol

Firstly, the Authorship of this Book is categorically inconclusive. Traditionally, Moses has been held to be the author of Genesis over the centuries. A number of inferential evidences favor this conclusion, however, some scholars have attributed this book to the work of an unknown redactor who skillfully compiled the writings of four or more editors. Generally the four primary sources are referred to as J, E, D, and P. J is the “Yahwist”; E, the “Elohist”; D is the work of the Deuteronomist; and P, the priestly document.

Let us remember that no one witnessed the creation:

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth! Tell Me, if you have understanding, who set its measurements, since you know? Or who stretched the line on it? Or where were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:4-7).

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:05 am 



Marv quite correct…Letebele lmao.aow yoh lol

okay on a general note..the problem with us people is that we have selective reas0ning with everything infr0nt of us. First and very forem0st is how we c0mpare Religi0n(WHICH IS MAN MADE) to God and His way. We always blame God for religi0n as if to say He came about with it.Then we just judge ,judge and judge God according to our own humanily understanding! If we read the bible we would actually learn that it is all about LOVE and throughout thatz what it teaches(not enforces) about, but no instead acording to our own assumptions of judgement we base the bible on RELIGI0N- whch is the 1st and largest mistake we make! *prays for our ‘wiseness’ whch is foolishness to God*

TheAngel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:05 am 



Secondly, how one approaches the book of Genesis largely determines what they will get from its study. I would like to mention three methods of interpretation which we must avoid.
Neo-orthodox theologians are willing to grant that the Bible contains truth, but will not go so far as to accept it as the truth. They suspect that throughout its transmission down through the ages it has become something less than inspired and inerrant. These untrue accretions which have become mixed with biblical truth must be exposed and expunged. This process is referred to as demythologizing Scripture. The great difficulty is that man determines what is truth and what is fiction. Man is no longer under the authority of the Word, but is the authority over the Word.

A second method of interpretation is called the allegorical approach. This method is barely one step removed from demythologizing. The biblical account is not nearly so important as the “spiritual” message conveyed by the passage. The difficulty is that the “spiritual message” seems to differ with every individual, and it is not tied in with the historical-grammatical interpretation of the text. In popular group studies this usually fits under the heading of “what this verse means to me.” The interpretation of a text should be the same for a housewife or a theologian, a child or a mature Christian. The application may differ, but the interpretation, never!

Closely related to the allegorical method of interpretation is the typological approach. No one questions that the Bible contains types. Some of these types are clearly designated as such in the New Testament (Rom 5:14; Col 2:17; Heb 8:5, etc.). Other types can hardly be questioned, while not specifically labeled as such. For example, Joseph seems to be a clear type of Christ.

Oftentimes in my experience people have “found” types where they seem not to exist. While the meaning of such interpretation may be one that conforms to Scripture (or may be taught elsewhere), there is no way to prove or disprove the type. The more spiritual one is the more types he or she seems to find. And who can question them? But in this search for types, the plain and simple interpretation is obscured or overlooked. Let us exercise great caution here.

I would like to suggest that we approach the book of Genesis as the book presents itself to us. I believe the first verse makes clear the way we must approach the entire work.
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).
Beside this verse I have written in the margin of my Bible, “This account either explains it all or it does not explain it at all.”
No, don’t tell me that I am seeing too much here. Some books begin, “… Once upon a time … ”
When we find such an introduction we immediately understand that we are reading a fairy tale. So also the conclusion, “… and they lived happily ever after.”

Genesis 1:1 is totally different. The mood is authoritative and declarative.

The claim implied by this verse is much like that of our Lord when He presented Himself to men. No one can logically tip their hat to Jesus Christ as a “good man,” “a wonderful example,” or a “great teacher,” He was either Who He claimed to be (the Messiah, the Son of God), or He was a fake and a fraud. There is no middle ground, no riding the fence with Jesus. Jesus does not deserve mere courtesy. He demands a crown or a cross.

So it is with this verse. We dare not call it good literature. It claims authority and veracity. From this verse one should either read on, expecting a revelation from God in this book, or he should set it aside as mere religious rhetoric.

There are only two viable options as to where Genesis 1:1 (and the rest of the book) came from. Either it was a product of a human author’s imagination, or it is divinely revealed truth. If it is the former, we should value it only as a work of antiquity, on the same level as other ancient cosmogonies. If the latter, we must come on bended knee, willing to hear and obey it as an authoritative word from God.

This view of Genesis as divine revelation, the historical account of our origins, is that of the remainder of the Scriptures.

To Him who made the heavens with skill, for His lovingkindness is everlasting; to Him who spread out the earth above the waters, for His lovingkindness is everlasting; to Him who made the great Lights, for His lovingkindness is everlasting; the sun to rule by day, for His lovingkindness is everlasting, the moon and stars to rule by night, for His lovingkindness is everlasting (Psalm 136:5-9).

The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with My hands, and I ordained all their host. For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), “I am the Lord, and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:7,12,18).

NeoM on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:07 am 



This is such an interesting read and as a born again christian iv questioned certain things myself. The book of 1 Cor 1:18 says “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God”.

Having said that, plz note that I’m not saying any1 is going to hell- I’m not satan receptionist, as stated by the writer.

The writer also mentioned how discontinous the bible is with the example of adam and eve story. I’m engaged to theologian and what he always says is that if everything that happened in biblical times was actually in the bible, the bible wud really be a humongous book, hence things are written in bits and pieces.

I agree with lela that as Isaiah 55:8 say ‘My thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are My ways your ways”

Having said all of that I find it fitting to say ‘keep your America and I’ll keep my Zimbabwe’, well in my case ‘Keep your opinions and I’ll keep my christianity’

P.S I apologise 4 the lengthy post

TheAngel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:09 am 



I must say that I am eager to begin this study of Genesis. I would ask you to study the book carefully and prayerfully. Most of all, I would hope that in its study we would come to know God as did men like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph.

____________________

Bible.org etc etc. lol

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:13 am 



P.s can all of us who are tagged as ‘Christians’ please nt ridicule or fight with anyone because this is merely what we are expectd to do . Lets be open minded and civil, and not tel people that they r going to hell ,because no1 gave us a list to showcase the hell goers. If this is far bey0nd you, choose to silentblog cause if and 0nce you burst ,they’l label all of us with a bad name and then blame God for our actions.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:16 am 



@Maratahelele “if it wasn’t of the same bible,u wouldn’t have something called “GOD” today.”…this is absolutely false we’ve always had uQamata/Mvelingqangi which IS God but people always have to differentiate and go with what came with white people or the westernised version.
Which then always brings about the question of why GOD only chose one race to spread his word, aren’t we all good enough?? Essentially meaning the segregation agendas and blacks being potrayed as lesser beings is something that came with religion, which is unforgivable no matter which way you look at it.Be carefuil and remember, when you support the notion that we never had God until the bible came through,you are giving the very same excuse that racists around the world gave, when they committed the most atrocious acts against humankind. You see they, even though claiming to be God-fearing claimed what they did was right simply because we were the heathens that didn’t even know the bible=GOD so he must have inteded for us to be lesser beings and therefore be treated as such.
Africans have always had GOD let us not be mistaken, if you feel more comfortable with the westernised concepts that’s your indaba. That being said,through it all though we continue to have faith, pray and hope.

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:17 am 



@ Maditaba
I agree with you wholeheartedly!

God did not create religion. (And religion definitely did not create God).

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:27 am 



@Maditaba and Leelove would you then agree that the bible was probably compiled by the very same people who created religion? Please note am not saying that the bible is untrue and not the word of GOd. However, this is to illustrate that there can be and there will be loopholes that we can question in it becasue it is not in God’s own hand. Furthermore there are just too many versions out there that if it was as God intended, why would people feel the need to have so many versions.

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:28 am 



Dear Guest writer:

what do you think this means?

Genesis 1:26 – “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Why use the words “our” and “us”
i will tell you an interesting story later on.

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:31 am 



I think all religions have a fundamental lesson to share. All have something profound to share and things that don’t make sense. The most worthwhile things are also contradictory and hard to understand but that does not make them useless. Love for example is like that. God is like that.

He sent all these messages. And when u read the bible look for the messages God is giving u. what the garden of eden looked like isn’t important. How adam and eve’s children procreated is not important.

And if u really think about it the great flood isn’t that important. It’s the lessons, the little specks of truth. Accept that u will not know everything in this life.

Pray for understanding.

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:32 am 



“… one of the fundamentals of religion is “forgiveness”, yet God and Satan are still enemies, when will it end?…”

*dies*

lorrelai on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:38 am 



“… one of the fundamentals of religion is “forgiveness”, yet God and Satan are still enemies, when will it end?…”

when Satan humbles himself, admits he was wrong and asks for forgiveness?

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:39 am 



@Secret Agent squirrel…think I like where you are going.

lorrelai on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:40 am 



off topic: I just dropped my eyes, down the screen & saw : “Just Curious is a division of LeBoy Productions” (I haven’t noticed this before) halala Lelo, continue to grow sisi.

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:43 am 



Peachy lemi ask u this: which bible that u’ve pickd up and assumedly read ,said a different thing to what the otha bibles say?

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:44 am 



Peachy lemi ask u this: which bible that u’ve pickd up and assumedly read ,said a different thing to what the otha bibles say? (i hope u get ma question)

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:47 am 



Another thing, if you read the bible and you feel its not up to scratch then stop reading it cause no1 is forcing you to read and/or believe what is written. We all have the freed0m to ch0ose what we want and what we dont,so exercise that gud ryt to your own will .

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:52 am 



@Peachy:
What does this mean?

the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:53 am 



i have a different version of Adam and eve before it was altered in the Bible. Have anyone read the Sumerian Texts?

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 10:58 am 



@ Peachy

I do think so. That isn’t something that’s hidden. But what is ur point? (I don’t mean this in a snappy tone).

U should ask urself Jesus and religion aside..if God came down tomorrow and told us that the bible isn’t solid, it’s questionable, that he had no real part in it’s creation etc would that significantly change the life u lead as a someone who believes in God (I’m assuming u do?).

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:01 am 



Religion is a fascinating act of faith

How christians believe in their bible yet hardly practice most of their unfavorable commandments (I.e like the ability to be graciously humble and understanding plus tolerating others beliefs without trashing or belittling)

And how Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable and that the purpose of existence is to worship God. Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through the prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Muslims maintain that previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time,yet they BOMB themselves in the midst of innocent lives and actually believe Allah (God) approves of such acts

And Buddhists who believe in Good over Bad. Their principalities are so basic and simple for they maintain a psychological route of living. The ability to identify wrong and right and serenade their senses with meditation via channeling. Yet that vatkoek look a like dwarfish statue sends shivers to one who admires their principles but not quite thrilled with literally bowing down and worshiping an idol

As for atheist I am somewhat perplexed with their ability to believe that they don’t believe and I would leave it as that for I believe atheism is not religion but a religious based act of not believing..

Phew…

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:02 am 



Secret Agent Squirrel I’ve been reading the story of creation according to the 7 tablets.

Where can I read more?

Yuniqspace on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:02 am 



Great article,well thought as well… You covered what most writers wouldn’t have wanted to cover,broke some boundries yes!
I enjoyed reading it,it raised some questions but I don’t agree with some of what you said.after all twas a great read.keep it up bro.

Mmaditaba on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:02 am 



@Leelove im so with you. @SilentAngel interesting, i like

Nonkuku on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:06 am 



Can someone answer the race question tuu, where do black ppl feature in the bible and what did we have before the white man came to shores

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:07 am 



@Mmaditaba I read the bible and yes out of my will, but the fact that I have questions doesn’t mean I won’t draw life lessons from it nor does it mean I should put it down. All I’m saying is, it is not in God’s hand and it did not fall directly from heaven,therefore it could have been misinterpreted by the humans that wrote it and God gave me a brain that I’m using to critically analyse what I’m being given as the food of life.(please note: am not saying it is not up to scratch either)I really don’t believe that ndizoyoqhotswa kwahell for raising questions that are fundamental to my further understanding of the word.

Yes, the concept will be the same which I assume it is what you’re saying, the message will remain the same but why have sections ommitted or only use the new testament for example?

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:08 am 



@ LeeLove,
i’m a very analytical person, if the Bible was altered, i want to know by who and why?

The Sumerian texts have an interesting story of how Adam and Eve cam to be.

But to make a long story short:
God had two sons, Enki and Enlil, he gave earth to them to control. Enki was the good guy, and Enlil the bad one.

From a Biblical perspective, it was Enki who (with the critical assistance of his half-sister, Ninki, aka Nin-khursag) created Adam and Eve. It was Enlil, on the other hand, who created “Edin”. Enki was the serpent in the garden, who urged Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (which was infinitely beneficial to their spiritual growth). It was Enlil, who drove them out of Edin, while Enki was there to clothe them.

if you read the bible you will see that God is a good person, and then he wants to send everyone to hell, then he is good again. Might it be that there were more then one that ruled over earth?

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:12 am 



@Leelove: i have the direct translation of the 7 tablets!
do they make sense to you? the even show all our planets very accurately, even before we discovered them!

lwandie on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:12 am 



Hayi ndiyazi issues of faith are very touchy issues but I gotta say when I read this update on facey after reading this article I chuckled:

“So (insert F expletive) wht if jesus turned water into wine.I’ve just turned my whole student loan into rum and coke.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:15 am 



@Leelove No it wouldn’t but it would further support the notion that God is in us and that there are many acceptable ways of getting to him and not necessarily one man that happens to be a jew that the jews themselves don’t believe in. Furthermore it would instil my notion of a God that is non-prejudicial, non-dictatoral being etc. as some christians/ born-agains potray him!

*puts on knight’s armour and runs faster than Hoosain Bolt*

B.MAG on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:18 am 



nothing debatable on this article if d writer ddnt quickly rush to mock and redicule the bible we would have an interesting discussion.

MashDiva on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:22 am 



Tjonnaweeee
“I believe in God, not in religion. After reading this, please do not dare say I am going to hell. You are not Satan’s receptionist.”

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:23 am 



The Bible does not specifically identify any person as being black-skinned. The Bible also does not specifically identify any person as being white-skinned. The vast majority of the Bible took place in the Middle East, in and around Israel. Neither “black” nor “white” people are common in these regions. The vast majority of the people in the Bible were “Semitic,” light to dark brown in complexion. Ultimately, it does not matter what skin color the people in the Bible were. Skin color is meaningless in the message of the Bible. We all need to take our eyes off of the skin and focus on the soul.

1sokobl on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:24 am 



We must pray before we read the Bible so we may not read it with our own minds but the with the Holy Spirit. If you read the Bible with your own mind, you end thinking like Fana.

I can answer probably 90% of Fana’s questions but I choose to answer this one here. After A&E were created,they had children,lots of them. They could have had a new child every year. The people that are mentioned though, are the ones that have significance in our lives, the ones we can learn from. You’ll notice also that the Bible mentions everyone who is in the geneology of our Savior, Jesus Christ, from his father’s side. Infact the Bible follows the geneologies from both Joseph and Mary’s sides, which is why the geneologies in Matthew and Luke are not the same from King David. Either way Jesus is the decendent of King David.

There’s a website http://www.gotquestions.org that will answer almost all your questions if you are looking for the truth.

If God was able to convert Saul into Paul and gave him all the understanding and passion he had, even Fana and many others can be converted and given understanding.

May the Lord open all of our hearts to receive the grace He has granted us, in Jesus’name, our Savior.

Lela on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:25 am 



Nonkukhu try and get a book by Pastor Paul Phume titled Is God a Black Man or something like that. It will answer all your questions about blacks in the bible but there were/are blacks in the bible but I’m too lazy to type.

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:30 am 



it is said that we are not allowed to question the bible, but to me anything that we are not allowed to question is questionable!
like the maffia, and gangs, their subjects are never allowed to question them, because obviously someone is brewing something.

In the bible it seems like God is an overlord on the one page, and on the next he is loving and caring?
what am i missing?

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:36 am 



@secret I believe God has MPD (multiple persona disorder)

Vesa on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:40 am 



Can someone answer the race question tuu, where do black ppl feature in the bible and what did we have before the white man came to shores

My take: The Bible does not specifically identify any person as being black-skinned. The Bible also does not specifically identify any person as being white-skinned. The vast majority of the Bible took place in the Middle East, in and around Israel. Neither “black” nor “white” people are common in these regions. The vast majority of the people in the Bible were “Semitic,” light to dark brown in complexion. Ultimately, it does not matter what skin color the people in the Bible were. Skin color is meaningless in the message of the Bible. I think we all need to take our eyes off the skin colour and rather focus on the soul.

Here’s the different believes that I’ve read about regarding blacks in the bible….It is believed that Moses was married to a black woman Zipporah as she was a Cushite (Numbers 12:1). Cush is an ancient name for an area of Africa (dunno which one though). Black people in the bible, are believed to be the descendents of Ham, who is the son of Noah. It is believed that the blackness of black Africans, is merely one particular combination of inherited factors from Adam & Eve meaning that these factors themselves, though not in that combination, were originally present in Adam and Eve.

There is also a belief that the skin colour of black people is a result of a curse on Ham, but this is nowhere taught in the Bible. And it was not Ham who was cursed, but his son, Canaan (Genesis 9:18, 25, 10:6).

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:41 am 



@Secret Agent Squirrel who said we are not allowed to question? It is funny how man through the ages has managed to interpret and create rules supposedly from the bible and distribute them the way they see fit. Is it so that we do not begin to see through the lies some of these pastors feed their flock.(read: Pator Mbhoro) LMAO!

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:44 am 



@ Peachy

God gave u a brain and reasoning and doubt etc for a reason.

The faults of the bible don’t need to be proven or widely realised for u to live YOUR life like that. I believe everything u said and I don’t need anyone else to believe it.

I started questioning the bible when I was pretty young around 13. I was afraid that I was making a mistake. That I was wrong to have my questions and doubts and things that I flatout just can’t believe. Then I realised that just because a million people say something is right doesn’t mean it is. There is a sense of safety in numbers but truth is even Christians, Muslims etc although they believe they are right no one truly knows. Your beliefs could be the real truth. When God asks u why didn’t u listen to your heart, u can’t say well I really believed my heart but everyone said… U have to answer for the choices u make. Only u. So no one has to cosign your beliefs.

KewlGal on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:45 am 



Wow Fana, glad to know i’m not the only one who feels like this…

What’s amazing about the Bible esp the 1st testament is that everything in there happens in Africa but the pictures & characters we are shown are that of white people,

you see the Bible is designed to brainwash people into thinkin that the closest ppl to God are ppl with long curly hair and white looking skin. Its designed to make you scared that if you do not do what they say you must do Hell will be your eternity.

Personally i dont believe in this White ppl’s God, Jesus and the likes, ur Mohameds all of them, dont believe that ish. I believe in the God whom my Ancestors prayed to before the White man came to our shores to sell us religion and money, so that they can take our land and control us & our way of thinking. I believe in Spirituality not religion, religion and the story of the Bible is infact an African spirituality story stolen and changed into christian religion. When you go into the deep villages in Africa esp in the North, you will find old ppl telling folk stories which are similar to the stories you read in the bible, those ppl dont know how to read so they could not have read them in the Bible.
African creation stories will tell you tht people came in pairs as a Man and a Woman, the Adam story and the God, Son & Holy spirit story was created by the Constantine’s of this world to make sure that the White mans obsession for superiority and world domination remains forever. Where is the mother if there’s a Son? or you would rather call some Wind but in a fancy name..

God is within you, not in some heaven somewhere, in my opinion that’s why Christians sin so much, they see God as an external figure that you can always go to and ask for forgiveness every Sunday, whereas if He/She/It was seen as someone or something that lives inside ones soul our world would be such a better place.

Vesa on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:45 am 



@softnfree…..*side eye*

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:51 am 



@Leelove I hear u!

Nonkuku on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:54 am 



@ Lela thanx will add it on to my ‘to read’ books

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:55 am 



If only the guest writer purpose was not to redicule the bible and God himself but be on a quest to truely understand the bible then after make up his mind this would be an interesting read….

But then again it also states that in the last days people will come redicule and try to discredit christianity…. why dont people quetion Muslims, jewish religions?

If you understand wat faith is then you would know and understand why we must do wat God tells us to do without quetioning his ways.

Dear Just curious in the future please try to stay away from religion articles of this kind!!!

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:03 pm 



@KewlGal,

The Sumerian texts were written long before white man set foot in Africa, all creation story’s throughout the world are more or less the same.
And White people are really not as bad as you depict them….

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:07 pm 



By the way, what do you think of the doomsday Prophecy that is 21 May 2011,Google it, i’m not so sure i believe it.

Quoting Mrs_Marv:”But then again it also states that in the last days people will come redicule and try to discredit christianity”

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:11 pm 



U know this whole religion versus white people’ intelligence and black people’s slavery is seriously a of mind over matter situation coupled with EQ (emotional intelligece). In a nutshell psychology at its best.

Take for example how christians believe in this spiritual husband/wife act of demonic invasion

It is widely believed in the christian world that when you have wet dreams there is a demon that in the spirit is really sleeping with u and that demon warrants one either spirit of rejection/curse/failure etc (anything demonic) so that u don’t succeed in life or have a breakthrough hence one needs deliverance
And I hear these spiritual husbands and wifes are very jealous hence if one has one their relationships fail easily or they never really meet the right one

Now let’s cross over to white supremacy

The westerners believe in DIY/manual operation/masturbation as an act of releasing tension and pleasuring self
They widely encourage fantasy and are at ease with wet dreams as they psychologically are aware that the mind responds to its surroundings.

As christians wiLl frown and look down on throttling the monkey as a magnetic symbol of attracting and calling/inviting spiritual spouses

An

ENTER DARKIE
As gullible as an african slave u’darkie takes everything at face value without either questioning or assessing how they feel about either the strangled monkey representing ‘self-awareness’ or the spiritual realm ideologies that are meant to cause more confusing, fear and uncertainty.

cha*
Izima lento..
And what about the white man with blue eyes and long blonde hair…????

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:14 pm 



Does the bible say Jesus was white? That God’s chosen are white?

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:17 pm 



@lee whoever painted that blue-eyed blonde man and called him jesus is not well upstairs

Wild Island on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:23 pm 



love this dude

“Y’all are obsessed about who was the messenger between Mohammed and Jesus, mother#@$ did you get the message” – Eddie Griffin

EDDY EDDY EDDY LOL
interesting read……

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:24 pm 



Mrs Marv

All religions are questioned hle. We just happen to live in a country where christianity is believed in by the majority. And the mainstream foreign media we are exposed to is from countries that are predominately Christian. The most powerful countries are predominately Christian.

All religions are questioned.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:25 pm 



@Mrs MArv some ofus are not ridiculing christianity but simply asking questions.
For the record, people have always questioned the basis of christianity but in this day and age we have forums such as these to discuss it, in my opinion it has nothing to do with the end of days prediction.
Furthermore poeple could be questioning because it has become obvious in the last 2 decades or so that the world is not what we think it is, history is not what we think it is. Which will inevitably bring about the question of who is responsible for it and why? *New World Order anyone?*
We see the lies of some of the evangilical churches every single day even some may argue of the Roman catholic church, why then are we not expected to question.
Phof, as I said before my God allows critical thinking especially in ways of humans.

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:29 pm 



@sof

If I were a white, european man from that time I would also depict him as a blue eyed blonde.

But what does Da Vinci’s painting have to do with the bible really?

B.MAG on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:30 pm 



Fana goes marbleh on dis piece

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:30 pm 



New world order indeed.

I often wonder how does one get to be a member of the illuminati aka free manson

Quite fascinating..

#i must ask Oprah#

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:39 pm 



@Lee there are several artists who painted this jesus.

The most famous painting was by Warner Sallma.

Which one is the Da vinci painting?

The one where his blonde hair was curly or when it was straightened?

I once saw a fringe one as well with a bit of mousse (or styling gel as we call it)

TheSushiQueen on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:41 pm 



I have always considered the first testament of the bible to be poetry.. I always read it not from a position of that everything said is “fact”, but that it is symbolism.. think about it.. how many of the things said in the first testament especially, can be believed from a literal point of view? However, if we were to look at it from a symbolism perspective, the words mean so much and are comforting. That is why we have preacher’s who translate things for us in church and this very reason is why the bible is OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.. Which will differ from person to person..

Lela on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:47 pm 



kwaaaaaaaaaaaa @WI i think I like that quote by Eddie.

sexymm on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:50 pm 



wake up your drunken granddad or else you will be cursed LOL. Only if your granddad is religious, because if he is ghetto, otlo topa mpama if you wake him up* Kwaaaaa..

Nice one,yoh azange ngihleke sooo…

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:53 pm 



@soft

The last supper is by Da Vinci.

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 12:55 pm 



Ahhhh now it makes sense why the Davinci code was illuminated

@Ta Lee

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:05 pm 



Obviously, much of the early chapters in Genesis are perplexing in their interpretation. If one ignores the two creation of man stories — Genesis 1:27 (the image thing) and Genesis 2:7 (the dust one) — you’ve still got a lot of reversals and inconsistencies. For example:

[ God placed Man in the Garden of Eden — then threw him out. In the process, He blessed Man (Genesis 1:28), and then cursed him (Genesis 3:17-19), as in:

“…cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
Hey man, you’re dirt! On the other hand…

“Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.” Genesis 3:21
Just as God show Adam and Eve the door, He gives them a door prize!?

Secret Agent Squirrel on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:08 pm 



He cursed Cain…

“Now art thou cursed from the earth… When thou tillest the ground; it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.” — Genesis 4:11-12
And then He protected Cain!!!

“…Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.” — Genesis 4:15
[ Man fell out of favor...]

“And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” — Genesis 6:6
But then…

“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.” — Genesis 6:8

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:22 pm 



@peachy n @lee this article is not asking quetions to gain understanding of christisnity but sskin quetions in a way to redicule christianity…. infact in this article the author has made up his mind that the bible is false…..

It lacks genuine interest to understand who God is and what he stands for.

and lets stop bringing race here coz there is nowhere in the bible where God talks about colour!!!

I’m a chriatian and my answers will be answered in that pespective…

LeeLove on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:33 pm 



I agree with u Mrs Marv, the writer does not seem to want understanding.

mamamia on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:34 pm 



Oh my goodness.

“The intention is not to change what you believe in or ridicule your religion”
This is disingenuous and patronizing!!
You can’t unequivocally go on the offensive about a ‘sensivite’ topic and then decide to put on a bullet vest when you meant just that.

About the building of the boat issue:
come on Mabasa, people have built pyramids, skyscrappers and the Titanic, a huge feat but it can be done i don’t see how Noah and son’s couldn’t do it in 100 years, after all it’s not like they had anything else to do like tweet or blog.

” it is either the humans ate raw meat because how would they have managed to cook it. They could not start a fire inside/on a boat made of wood with rain strong enough it raised see levels more than twenty-two feet above ground”

it was raining outside not inside the boat. if they can build a huge boat like that i don’t think a kitchen/stove/cooking area would be an issue.

“Now let me break down this statement, I will start with the eating part, to be able to eat an animal one has to kill it first, if the blood of one animal is spilled in front of the others, the animals lose their sanity, the can actually kill you”
Stop eating KFC, nandos and all other meats and become vegetarian have you seen how they slaughter animals in front of each other in slaughter houses, nothing free range or organic bout it, where do you think mad cow disease came from.

“There is nowhere in the bible where it is said that Noah and his sons were given any super powers or additional help. The four men had to cut down trees, drag these logs, curve them into shapes of all sorts, gather tar, assemble the wood to make a three deck structure/frame of the boat, collect enough food to feed them, their wives and the animals.”

It’s not impossible, our ancestors have been doing it. look at the union buildings, the pyramids, the great wall of China.
We’ve been having it!!

“is it safe to assume that the flood killed innocent human beings?” you can’t assume since the boat never existed, therefore there was never a flood etc etc.

*wake up your drunken granddad or else you will be cursed LOL. Only if your granddad is religious, because if he is ghetto, otlo topa mpama if you wake him up*

hehehe, believe it or not back then people ACTUALLY respected their elders

Nuff said from my side, i will let it Go!!!
Since God created you then i think he knows how to read.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:43 pm 



Maybe he’s just writing an article for a blog?Not to seek understanding but just writing….He clearly has made up his mind and doesn’t need to seek understanding from you or anyone from that matter.If he thinks the bible is false, then so be it…
As I’ve said before even the worst of the worst have found some way to vindicate themselves through the bible,by quoting this or the other.It is vague and leads for self-interpretation, some of you do it yourselves, others read scholarly articles and some of you need Pastors/Preachers/Reverends..each to his own let us be tolerable.

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:43 pm 



@mamamia NICE…….

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:48 pm 



@peachy…..Maybe he’s just writing an article for a blog?Not to seek understanding but just writing… <—–then let him write in his private diary.

mamamia on Fri, 13th May 2011 1:59 pm 



@lolaluv
Actually african’s are mentioned in the bible they just don’t call them blacks. The queen of Sheba is suspected to be african, some even suggest Hagar the slave woman who slept with Abraham because Sarah forced him to could be african hence the great nation borne from Ishmael, Abrahams illegitimate son. – check with TD Jakes on that one.

The pharoahs of Egypt had african ancenstory. The nubians are african, so are the sudanese.
Rest assured there a plenty of blacks in the bible.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:04 pm 



@Mrs Marv that’s a bit Hitler-ish????

mamamia on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:09 pm 



And if you research the history of the bible you will realise it was certain religious sects (romans because they were serious pagans sacrificing new born babies by throwing them into the fire alive), they tried to hide the bible from the masses, it was illegal to read the bible back then. so if the bible is a lie why would they ban it?

Christans back then (people who belived in the scriptures) were tortured, burned alive at the stakes, crucifed (a roman form of punishment not unique to Jesus alone) and even put into the ring at the gladiator games to be mauled and savaged by animals.
Why so much effort to discret christianity if it’s not real.

The bible itslef states it is written by man YES who is inspired by God’s holy spirit.

Do you know that there’s a book called the bible of Satan. if the bible of God is lying then i can only imagine what this bible talks about.

hayi noo, you can judge and crucify and ridicule it’s nothing new God trust me.

NetworkLounge on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:19 pm 



I’d rather discover that there is no heaven than the latter. I also dont think ppl are brainwashed, people choose to believe/ follow what feels right and familiar with them.
Whilst you provide an interesting analysis you do not provide a conclusion by this I mean you dont provide alternatives. Imagine if I were to discuss this wonderful analysis with my gogo and mom who taught me how to read the bible, how would I convince them you raise questions but dont allude to answers then I ask what is the point like you said at some point we have all asked 1 or more these questions.
I believe in the Bible and all that is truth, and people may ask what is truth truth feels right it does not always feel good but it feels right. You probably have come accross some difficult, cheating, spiteful Christians at some point in life they are the symbol showing that you should not follow people or what they do or say you should follow what feels right and if you find that in the bible then so be it.

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:27 pm 



@PEACHY ITS JUST MY TAKE

@nETWORKlOUNGE I’d rather discover that there is no heaven than the latter<——- IM WITH YOU ON THAT ONE

Simah001 on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:31 pm 



First of all, good article Fana.

QUESTION: were biblical figures created as ape-like beings, since scientific records show us that the 1st people on Earth were apes? If you look at this through the “science Vs. Bible” perspective you might find that the Bible actually sounds like a 5th grade story book that tells big fat fibs.
The bible has no tangible proof of what it tells us. On the other hand science has fossil records and other tangible object that accompany their theories.

I am not Agnostic. I’m not an atheist either, but sometimes we must use the brains “God” gave us to question unexplained mysteries. Ok thanks bye.

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:35 pm 



This is a blog(thoughts) dear, people can write what they like, not what you want and definately NOT the way you want them to.

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:41 pm 



@Simah001 The bible has no tangible proof of what it tells us<——that is why the children of Israel took 40 yrs to complete a journey that was suppose to take 40 days, becuase they wanted something tangible and didnt have FAITH in the Lord that was not seen thru the naked eye!!!

If humans evolved from Apes…. why do we still have Apes??? when are they gonna evolve?

mamamia on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:47 pm 



@all, in order for us to gain understanding i suggest we really seek out the truth, you will be amazed how much information is hidden from people especially to blacks in books.
*NO offence*

LET’S PLAY!
If you gon apply this kind of unwarranted scrutiny on the bible ALONE then you should do the same with other religious texts like the Quran which supposedly motivated 9/11 and perpetuates the mass killing of infidels that = everybody except muslims. Lets rile the muslims in JC up!!
The Torah of the jewish nation which has spurned some new age myths like kaballah, blood libel which accuses the jews of murdering children for rituals, there goes anti-semitic hate speech.
I’m still waiting for a wise soul to document african spirituality, since blacks are being bastardised for aspiring to western religions. Oops i better go slaughter a goat.
And then there was the new age mumbo jumbo you see being endorsed by Oprah called spiritualism which changes every week according to your mood.

Since religion is a systematic form of mass indoctrination its only fair that others should also be put on the spotlight.
But then again christians have always been ‘soft’ targets.

*takes off bullet proof vest*

Jahara on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:51 pm 



*hippo yawn*

The article’s soo long.
Some comments are also soo long.

Lets just agree that complexities attached to matters of the bible can lead people astray.

THE BIG BANG THEORY!!!

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 2:59 pm 



with reference to wat @mamamia said…. Dear Author how about next week you write about Muslims and their beliefs? lets xplore that chapter shall we?

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:04 pm 



WARNING: The writer questions the Bible and Religion. Not for “sensitive” readers <——– Some text must be missing in this article since I cant find part that quetions religion….

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:08 pm 



He probably won’t wrote with as much passion and zest concerning muslims or Buddhists if not jewish for he grew up under the pages of genesis-revelation . So in a way it wouldn’t make sense for him to argue what he didn’t grow up being taught to memorize @ sunday school

If anyone feels strongly about bringing other religions as well then u might as well write the article

Lastly it would be nice (one day I will stop singing this song ) if people read the article and debated its merits without bitting the person who posted the articles head (that way you have lost perspective of debating)

What is the point of learning from each other and growing if we gonna be personally attacking each other?

Tackle the message and not the messanger. After all he is NOT the only person who questions the suppose to be unquestionable and I am sure all of us learned a thing or two from each others responses thanks to the article.

#it boggles the mind #

Wild Island on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:24 pm 



yooo for a friday lengola di long stories maaaaan …hai no…

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:34 pm 



*sighs* @softnfree from all the responses please quote me one that attacks the writer personal coz I might have missed it….

Tackle the message and not the messanger<—– what is the massage in this article? basically the author is sharing his thoughts or belief

After all he is NOT the only person who questions the suppose to be unquestionable <—– we cant go around serching for people who quetion the bible and reason with them but HE is the one who brought the subject to JC and since its a blog we entitled to respond…

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:38 pm 



“… Dear Just curious in the future please try to stay away from religion articles of this kind!!!…”

I take it you missed the red warning on top there?

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:46 pm 



@Mrs Marv why do you feel that @softnfree is responding to you?!
As for me,I certainly missed the part where you reasoned with him, instead you’re telling him what to write about ‘next time’ and how he should have written the above piece.

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:49 pm 



@Brown Shuga I take it you havnt read all my responses…

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:51 pm 



“.. @Brown Shuga I take it you havnt read all my responses… ”

I have and I’m shaking my head.

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:51 pm 



Thank you for this response sofnfree, it covers my thoughts right now:

” … Lastly it would be nice (one day I will stop singing this song ) if people read the article and debated its merits without bitting the person who posted the articles head (that way you have lost perspective of debating)

What is the point of learning from each other and growing if we gonna be personally attacking each other?

Tackle the message and not the messanger. After all he is NOT the only person who questions the suppose to be unquestionable and I am sure all of us learned a thing or two from each others responses thanks to the article… “

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:55 pm 



@Peach why do you feel that @softnfree is responding to you<——- ummmmm Im commenting/responding to her comment…. Since the author is sharing his thoughts I shared my thoughts about his thoughts..

Mrs_Marv on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:58 pm 



@BrownShuga ok….

Peachy on Fri, 13th May 2011 3:59 pm 



Wow!

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:27 pm 



#snatches Nebulizer from Lela and passes it to Mrs-Marv#

Its not only what most christians said to Fana but how they said it (tone) that actually makes one realize u’fana is being attacked

Which is quite weird for christians are known to fight anything that doesn’t point in the direction of their holy bible

Christians are known to be bullies and I firmly believe if one can bully and ridicule other beliefs and people then they must take any biblical assessment with a pinch of salt
From one bully to the other # when u took off ur bullet proof vest’ its a sign of declaring war till data bundles do us apart (anyone who dares challenge ur belief)

No one is fighting with you here Madam….#gently places nebulizer on Mrs#

cleve2 on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:33 pm 



kwaaaaaaaaaaa @sofnfree!

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:33 pm 



@ Pearchy I couldn’t have said it better

As for me,I certainly missed the part where you reasoned with him, instead you’re telling him what to write about ‘next time’ and how he should have written the above piece…………………………………

There is no constructive debate where those who are hollier than thou are concerned.

soul sista on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:42 pm 



#Deathby —> “…till data bundles do us apart…” *cremates self*

Wild Island on Fri, 13th May 2011 4:50 pm 



HHAAAAAAAAA soft eish…data bundles tsa ba kreste:0

Lela on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:02 pm 



Hayibo SoftnFree you mean since i was nabulized on Wed,no wonder i didnt participate in this debate.

softnfree on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:14 pm 




GOL @ Lela

we have a lot of patients in this place
*wink* (and by now u know nam’ ngiya gula)

There I go with my tsulu again.

MissAN on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:18 pm 



@ mamamia,softnfree,the agent,peachy? Tjo! What do u guys do for a living,my gosh?! Clear minds. JC bloggers never dissapoint.

@ Sima,if you can really rely completely on Science that centuries later it still has not found a cure for a common cold,good luck with the theory we come from monkeys!

@ All,I am really starting to get bored with these religious articles. Yes,I learn a thing or two but at the end of it all its what you believe in and what God,the bible and everything in between mean to you. I am glad that @ mamamia answered @ Fana,I mean watching The Discovery Channel one can not be in awe of the greatness that is creation and the universe. Why would someone who just spoke into nothingness have a problem with making GOE a place of excessive splendour and bling bling? He created all that is above the sky,in the heavens,on earth and under the sea. Why would someone who is the Alpha and Omega need you to stroke His ego,even Beyonce can attest that He can sure back up? God doesnt want or need the approval of men. Its fine that we question the bible so we can get answers that make sense to us and I dont think God has a problem with us questioning our faith and belief,He does say we must seek His Kingdom and to seek is to look for,whether its through reading,questions,travel,talking,praying,etc BUT I do have a problem when God is being ridiculed. @ Fanapurp this Superbeing you challenging is not your Twitter victims that you cut to size and everyone LOL,GPY,retweets,etc whatever you spew. This God,the Alpha and Omega. He will show you that He does exist in a manner that will make Eddy Griffiths joke a total bore and just to show off you will not rise to see another day.-ask Moses about the burning bush- Modimo ha ase mao.

MissAN on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:31 pm 



@ Lela! Unjani? Hello.

snapshot on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:35 pm 



Wow u guys have really commented tru JC style, I thot I’ll read all the comments then comment but I cdnt too long.

My comment: I must say I like shitshembiso I wish u can visit me and we sit down and we read the bible together,promise you,after that you will never ever in your entire life ask such questions.

Firstly,where did you get the infromation that the Garden of Eden was to be temporal, maybe I missed that.
Secondly both two trees, tree of life n knowledge of good n evil where in the Garden but the G&E tree was in the middle for a reason of course,for a start please refer to Gen 2:8-15, stop piggy begging the bible you loosing out.

I won’t address the story of Noah cos I saw sum very gud comment on that. A refresher for heaven n hell please read Rev 20:11-15 you can ask me questions directly I will respond and pray that God save your soul, whatever you say! Be careful you don’t insult the Lord your God,who knew you before you were created from a sperm to a human being

snapshot on Fri, 13th May 2011 5:55 pm 



Lol @MissAN ayoba! Tell her/him, he’s a God above all gods,He’s worthy tb praised… How great is your name *singing*

B.MAG on Fri, 13th May 2011 6:27 pm 



Nyc one missan #thumbs up

Brown Shuga on Fri, 13th May 2011 6:33 pm 



@MissAN, what’s this post got to do with Fana’s tweets?

B.MAG on Fri, 13th May 2011 6:53 pm 



Name drop BANG! @last

MissAN on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:03 pm 



@ BS he is/was notorious for twars and there was an article la ku JC last year or early this year about Kingpins of Twitter and interesting people to follow,I followed him. All I am saying thread carefully where angels fear.

Lela on Fri, 13th May 2011 7:50 pm 



Lol nanko uMissAn eshwabulela omnye umtana. Molo MissAn i’ve been looking for u everywhere. @SoftnFree i can see that today you needed the nabulizer n i was clinging to it for dear life,lol.

lolington kwaaa on Fri, 13th May 2011 11:24 pm 



I believe in the devine power of the Universe, what our forefathers believed in before the white people came to Africa…in Zulu it was called UMvelinqangi..the devine power of the Universe….the secret that could bring rain if spoken to…
Having said that,I did biblical studies at school for five years…meaning I read and analysed it from beginning to end…and all I can say is..the Early Roman Catholics did a great job in brainwashing the masses. The church has always been a money making scheme/scam. The Chatholics killed scientist on friday the 13th..all the ones who knew about the truth of the Bible…and they convinced people they ware evil.
God…the devine power, the great power of the universe is definitely there (Proven scientifically by the big bang theory)..but the Bible, that’s like ANC now releasing a book claiming the chapters were written by the Steve Biko’s..and the likes…if it’s touchy enough…angithi you people will fall for it and buy it and vote for ANC? It’s all about business..if there’s a human being involved it’s about power and money.
ThankYou. *going back to the lab to prove more theories*

XolaniK on Sat, 14th May 2011 3:12 am 



I am a Christian and I believe the bible is the Word of God and it is there for our teaching and guiding.

Nonetheless, we’re all entitled to our own views and takes on the issues of life, especially such contentious issues as this. I view this article as one of those ‘feel-good’ articles especially for those who do not believe in the bible or God anyway – as they tend to feel vindicated in their stance. But i’d be surprised if real believers are moved in anyway, but thanks for the warning at the beginning of the article anyway.

People are generally of the view that believing in God is an intellectual exercise, but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. But if one believes in God because of intellectual reasoning, then they are likely to question their belief based on intellectual arguments.

Fact is: there are things you won’t know or get the revelation of from the outside, until you start believing, then you learn more. We don’t BELIEVE because we KNOW; but we KNOW because we BELIEVE. (this probably won’t make sense for some).

Decided to take a general stance on the article as I have seen a few people have already attempted to address the specific issues raised by Fana.

**As an aside: As a writer myself, I like your writing style Fana, like the sense humour thrown in in between those seemingly contentious points raised.**

Ciao.

MissAN on Sat, 14th May 2011 6:29 am 



Lol @ lolington kwaa ,why would anyone believe that Steve Biko wrote the bible? The same Biko that thought the missionaries were robbing us while poclaiming the word. Will try google what he wrote about while we prayed what the whites did.

Kiki on Sat, 14th May 2011 7:14 am 



You can look to the stars in search of the answers. Look for God and life on distant planets. Have your faith in the ever after. While each of us holds inside the map to the labyrinth. And heaven’s here on earth

We are the spirit the collective conscience. We create the pain and the suffering and the beauty in this world

Heaven’s here on earth. In our faith in humankind. In our respect for what is earthly. In our unfaltering belief in peace and love and understanding

I’ve seen and met angels wearing the disguise Of ordinary people leading ordinary lives. Filled with love, compassion, forgiveness and sacrifice

Heaven’s in our hearts. In our faith in humankind. In our respect for what is earthly. In our unfaltering belief in peace and love and understanding

Look around. Believe in what you see. The kingdom is at hand. The promised land is at your feet. We can and will become what we aspire to be

If Heaven’s here on earth. If we have faith in humankind. And respect for what is earthly. And an unfaltering belief that truth is divinity. And heaven’s here on earth

I’ve seen spirits. I’ve met angels
Touched creations beautiful and wondrous. I’ve been places where I question all I think I know. But I believe this could be heaven. We are born inside the gates with the power to create life and to take it away. The world is our temple. The world is our church. Heaven’s here on earth

If we have faith in human kind.
And respect for what is earthly.
And an unfaltering belief, In peace and love and understanding.
THIS COULD BE HEAVEN HERE ON EARTH. ~ Tracy Chapman.

(Sorry its too long but I had to share it with yall)

Makgotso on Sat, 14th May 2011 7:55 am 



JC family can comment.

I pray that God will answer the questions you have Fana because wisdom and understanding is from Him.

One thing I have realised in my Christian walk is that we can’t read a bible like a novel we need God’s spirit to interprete it for us and give us more understanding otherwise uzogcina uconfuse.

Ke a lerata rati

Child of the Most High God signing out

sk1 on Sat, 14th May 2011 11:55 am 



Interesting article indeed

Quote * Napoleon Bonaparte once said “Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich” *

snapshot on Sat, 14th May 2011 12:47 pm 



Hos 44:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

8 They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

9 And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

10 For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the Lord.

11 Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

I pray n Ask the holy spirit to guide through as you read the bible

Nerlee on Sat, 14th May 2011 1:31 pm 



Thank u Kiki 4 sharing

MissAN on Sat, 14th May 2011 7:34 pm 



Why did I not think of this?! Fair enough the bible was written by people that had over active imagination BUT stuff that is in Revelation is it not happening today? All these things i.e internet,social networks,Illuminati *@ SoftnFree y ask Oprah? Heard R.N.M is part of*,famines,pastors that are imPastors,books written under the guise of spirituality,dieseases,floods,chaos,wars are they not in Revelation and not happening? Mybe its just a big coincidence and old men with wild imaginations and with nothing to keep them busy.

Zest on Sun, 15th May 2011 1:25 pm 



Ecclesiastes 11:5 – As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.

I would like to take this as a wake up call to me and actually don’t judge those who see deferently but keep on doing more of who I am and about so those who are confused and lost may be saved…

lolington kwaaa on Sun, 15th May 2011 8:06 pm 



i have to admit….@ MissAN, some of that Revelation drama is really being revealed, it’s crazeeeee…just like some of the things that shakespear and TuPac said/wrote.

Mso on Mon, 16th May 2011 10:53 am 



The Illuminati is poisoning your minds. Its everywhere and bealives that it can enter the walls of the church and destroy Christianity. I think its starting to succeed. It ddnt have power to enter the church but now that has changed. Its poisoning our fellow christians and I for one am scared of the outcome.

J.A.Y on Mon, 16th May 2011 10:54 am 



“thread carefully where angels fear”

Now that’s a threat and a half…even the mafia has nothing on this…

I have no time for religion really, to me all religions are an old form of politics. The fundamentals are the same.

The South African constitution promotes more tolerance than the bible (and other religious books)- so I’ll stick to that for now.

Tumelo on Mon, 16th May 2011 11:25 am 



Interesting article Fana, as one or two have stated, the humourous aspect was an excellent interjection on what would otherwise be a somber yet contentious issue.

On the article, I myself share a great deal of thought with the OP on what they state in the article, the Interesting thing has been the response of those posting on the article, from humour, to silence after stating that they will keep their opinions to themselves, to virtual ridicule of the OP, to messages seeking to save what seems to be Fana’s Imperiled soul.

To even commiseration with what he’s posted from those stating that they understand what he’s going through seeking to understand how certain things in the bible could even be believed, subjectively or objectively.

My take on it? Most of the Information In the bible from the first time I was exposed to It at home growing up, to primary school, sunday school at church, confirmation class at church, right through to middle school and Senior Secondary school, all that, I’ve always been sceptical of, and the more I heard the harder It became to believe that anything written in it can be regarded with any degree of seriousness by any person asserting the ability to logically and rationally string a thought or two together, wether someone agrees with me on this or not makes no difference to my assertion.

Evidence by absence, which is the corner stone of the assertion of Deity by the bible and all other religious groups and whatever book they swear by, has never been enough to proof the existence of something.
I have tended to refer to the myths and tales in the bible with the rather apt nomenclature of “Fairy tales”, I have seen nothing to convince me otherwise, excpet of cause, to be more convinced that anyone who accepts It as devine writings needs to have their head examined rather thoroughly and soon.

I will comment soon on some of the comments made questioning what is observable fact, and assertions that are baseless to say the least about what certain people who don’t share these beliefs in fact are not.

Mmaditaba on Mon, 16th May 2011 7:33 pm 



mina angeke shem u cn kip you scientific philosophies and il keep my bible! Fair enough
angisbuyi iskelem

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:15 am 



Do not denounce religion as a fallacy, question it, after all you too cannot prove beyond any reasonable doubts, that all stories narrated by the bible are lies, what we perceive as “LIES” today is mainly influenced by ” OUR LOGIC” and understanding of how the world works, sure enough we can fly, we’ve created the atomic bond and nuclear energy, but that does not make us conquerers of the universe, quite frankly evidence suggests that most ancient technologies were superior than what we have currently, there are still structures out there created millenia ago which are yet to be understood by the present generation(using its present understanding of how the world works)…….

what I’m saying here is, use your “present logic” to question some of the stories in the bible, it is a widely accepted practice in academia and scholarly writing, but until such time when you can produce evidence that indeed bible stories are lies, you cannot declare them as such……….

This ancient technology/ modern technology, is quite fascinating, it’s like explaining to a 4 year kid how electrons flow in a conductor, reach a light bulb filament, cause it to heat up and emit light because of it small cross-section…..”For a 4 for year old this is very hard to comprehend” but does that make it a lie ?, philosophically it may well be a lie in his world…until he reaches certain levels of enlightenment to understand the world beyond his childhood limitations”……

same thing with religion, everything when assessed, through limitations of the physical world seems a bit far-fetched, it could well be true that the figures mentioned here were well above us on enlightenment stakes, they knew things that will probably know 100 000 years from now, just like that little boy and the light bulb…..

In a nutshell, your reality is influenced by what you know….LOL, there could be anything in closed box

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:18 am 



Until you open it

Philile_N on Tue, 17th May 2011 5:01 am 



@Estee IV WP
“What I’m saying here is, use your “present logic” to question some of the stories in the bible, it is a widely accepted practice in academia and scholarly writing, but until such time when you can produce evidence that indeed bible stories are lies, you cannot declare them as such……….”
#NuffSaid

Aldair on Tue, 17th May 2011 5:19 am 



Just like politics,religion is the most pointless thing to debate because nobody ever wins. Believe in what u want to believe in.

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 6:59 am 



Simple, prove It!
The sad thing about all these assumptions of veracity of the fairy tales in the bible, people are actually convinced about them.
I saw some poster claiming that “science” had proven that people In the old days lived much longer than they actually do today.
Let me let you into a little secret, that, Is the biggest load of clap trap ever, show me a scientist who peddles that load of bull and I’ll show you a charlatan who would be laughed out of the building by real scientists if they even showed their face in public.
The only thing that is proven and observable, and hence we call a fact, is this: due to the advances in medicinal technology, and better diets, people live longer live spans and remain healthy for longer!

We have observable instances of that now, not hearsay written in some book with no provable data.

Your argument is based on what Is called argumentum ad ignorantium, simply put: argument from ignorance, you assert that the absence of evidence somehow makes assertion true, merely because it hasn’t been disproven. Asserting the existence and/or reality of something in the absence of observable data is delusion!

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 9:10 am 



Let get one thing straight, science is not the alpha and omega of reason, there are many things that cannot be explained through science, we only understand less than 6% of the universe for crying out loud, how can we even begin to assume that we understand creation.

Currently scientists are struggling with explaining how the universe was formed, moving from one theory to another, the latest gimmick they came up with is the M-theory……Ohh by the way contrary to that you’ve said “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” the most important rule in science, they have a fancy word for it, “a Hypothesis”/ “I dont know what I’m looking for, but I know it must be there”, it merely means no one has bothered to look deeper into the subject matter, or should I say deep enough…..

On Science matters I’m definitely not the most ignorant of people you’d find on the Just Curious matters, as you have alleged, I was after all a Nuclear physicist for a couple of years before I ventured into what I do now, i’m pretty much well versed with limitations of science, and can argue just as well for both sides of this argument, one thing I’ve noticed about this argument is that though generally speaking, after arguing for hours you reach a point where neither one of the arguing parties can prove the other party wrong…..it always ends there

Ha ha ha on proving it, I’d also expect you to prove Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, or the fact that if I thrown a cup to wall, there is a chance that it might just go through the wall without breaking(Quantum Mechanics 101)…

On observable data and everything else being a delusion, I also dispute this claim, like I said…observable is informed by your reality……just because no-one knew about electrons in 300BC, does not mean that they did not exist…..they were indeed not observable in 300BC, but does that mean they did not exist…I don’t think so

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 9:47 am 



A word of caution, before I go back to silent bloggerhood, there is this misconception that Science cannot coexist with religion, or the creationist view of the world, I say this is nonsense, scientific reasoning is there to explain the physical part of the world and the general improvement of mankind’s day to day living, its primary purpose is not to criticize religion.

Of course the creationists argument is not 100% perfect, but then again until the day those skilled in the art create a mini big bang and create matter out of nothing with mini planets moving at the speed of light collecting mass, we’ll just never know for sure which of these two arguments is valid wont we…

For crying out loud, there is another argument about this planet, being a “lab” for a super human race that was using us as slaves and walla walla walla, actually someone published a book about that not so long ago

In summary Science has failed to prove the ultimate of it theories, i.e. the big bang…which is has inevitably lead to another failure, “the theory of everything”……..if you insist all mass in the universe started from one point, then…the existence of that point in the space-time continuum should be defined by one theory i.e. a formula that would unite, electromagnetism, classical mechanics, universal gravitational law and quantum physics…effectively a theory that would allow Scientists to be “Gods”, by predicting “everything there was”, “everything there is” and “everything there will” based on one theory…”Have they found it” NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, is there any sign that they’ll find in the 1 Million years, I don’t think so…

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 10:05 am 



The word you’re looking for is “postulate” then you have a hypothesis, then a theory which leads to it either being confirmed as fact, or thrown out with the other theories that didn’t make it into the dustbin of hystory or wherever failed theories end up!

A lot of the nonsense you’re quoting Is conspiracy theory nonsense that has not basis in rational discussion.

I hope you’re not the one who asserted that Evolution meant that we’re evolved from apes, because if you are, and claim to have been a scientist? I would have a serious problem with the education in this country, not that I don’t already have a lot issues with It, people are not taught how to think.

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 10:20 am 



Ha ha ha, Evolution has its limitations as well, let rather not go there…There are no conspiracy theories science has tons of gaps/ assumptions, yet it claims to be the authority of reasoning……the big bang theory has not been proven, will they throw out..not yet, you know the reason why, because they have not found another ” theory to explain creation”……I dont do conspiracy theories……if you know science as well as claim you do, you’d also be in a position to appreciate its “Gaps”….

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 10:26 am 



perhaps I should set the cat amongst pigeons here, pick one conspiracy theory from what I said….and give me a comprehensive reason why it is conspiracy theory…”with proven facts” as a father of Science(”,)

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 10:28 am 



Your assertion that science has failed demonstrates a rather short sighted view of what science is, and seeks to accomplish, let me point you and everyone to a link that explains What Science Is Not: http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/unt.not.html

And I will give You a link to an explanation of what Is Science Is: http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/unt.s.is.html

I quoted the Univerisity Of Indiana because they come up with a consize yet legible explanation that allows the layman like myself to unequivocably grasp the saliant points withought ripping his/her hair out.

Kindly go through these, and explain to me just how you reached the conclusion that science has failed, as far as I know science is still being practiced and the rules for the discovery of new rules that the universe operates are still being discovered.
There can never be a time when we can say science has failed, only that we humans failed to apply it’s rules as rigorously as they are supposed to, hence the field of “pseudoscience” with it’s crackpot theories of humans being enslaved by some alien race.

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 10:44 am 



Only one who subscribes to “Creationism” or It’s new found nom de guerre of ” Intelligent Design” would state that Evolution has problems, If you accept reality as Is, then the continued questioning of what has been proven, over and over, in countless ways both big and small, past and present, and contunues to happen as we speak, there is nothing i could possibly say to Inform your thinking.
I do not seek to convert you or anyone to my way of thinking, merely to debunk certain myths that seem rife in here, one being the evolution of humans from apes, no such thing exists, let me use the Uni Of Indiana’s resources again to provide a point of reference re Evolution,

This is what Evolution is Not: http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/ev.not.html
And on the same page you’ll get a concise explanation of What Evolution Is.

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 11:04 am 



Evolution states that biologically complex life forms cannot evolve from simple life forms….this has been proven to be untrue in certain cell cultures

Ms Diva on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:13 pm 



God is forgiveness. Anytime the Devil is ready to ask for forgiveness God will forgive. God is at peace with the devil hence he allows him to do all sort of tricks but him knowing that at the end he wants to show him that he is still the Omnipotent. The issue has always been the devil thinking it can have power above God and God has always been showing that you will never. i will let you try ( mind you i already know what you will do) just to show you ,make you belive that you will not have power ove the Omnipotent.So Fana issue here is the Devil to get smart and give in but nope he has that thing yokuthi i will not give in even if i will never be higher than him okusalayo i know there are some of his people that i can steal and take them with me.

Jeez like seriously the sooner the devil goes back to God and ask forgiveness and repent the better for everything that ever existed

Ms Diva on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:19 pm 



Then again, every sort of belief and counter arguments to the bible eg Scientists, Books, Secret, Ancerstors,physcology , great intellectuals and so on. everything at the end agrees to what the bible has written before any of these i counted existed. funny thing is they question the bible,mock it, disagree but and bring out the same principals that they know becasue they are written in the bible.the arguments points that are make their core comes from the bible. Even musicians who will write about such they still write about extracts from the bible and yet they question the bible. this is not worth even being debated. One must live with what ever principal they want cause the core of all the principals ever existed or to exist is the Bible. so the how part is your own indaba

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:28 pm 



?Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 11:04 am

Evolution states that biologically complex life forms cannot evolve from simple life forms….this has been proven to be untrue in certain cell cultures

That, wherever It came from, Is so false, I can only provide you with a proper definition.

Check: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Evolution+(biology)

“evolution
[ev??lo?o??sh?n]
Etymology: L, evolvere, to roll forth
1 a gradual, orderly, and continuous process of change and development from one condition or state to another. It encompasses all aspects of life, including physical, psychologic, sociologic, cultural, and intellectual development, and involves a progressive advancement from a simple to a more complex form or state through the processes of modification, differentiation, and growth. “

Tumelo on Tue, 17th May 2011 12:39 pm 



This, Is false:

Evolution states that biologically complex life forms cannot evolve from simple life forms….this has been proven to be untrue in certain cell cultures

Here is a true and correct definition Of Evolution:
evolution
[ev??lo?o??sh?n]
Etymology: L, evolvere, to roll forth
1 a gradual, orderly, and continuous process of change and development from one condition or state to another. It encompasses all aspects of life, including physical, psychologic, sociologic, cultural, and intellectual development, and involves a progressive advancement from a simple to a more complex form or state through the processes of modification, differentiation, and growth.

Estee IV WP on Tue, 17th May 2011 2:10 pm 



Ha ha ha ha I’m beginning to question your science credentials myself.

the first two words (gradual+ orderly), are exactly what you have in your “enlightened definition”, if you understood the exponential growth for of the bacterium cell cultures you’d have been able appreciate the fact that there is nothing gradual or orderly about it…….

anyway for further reading on this never ending debate, check the “bacterial flagellar motor dialema” (or make your own contribution on how you’d address it using natural selection), like I said, this conversation will never end, in one blog I ended up posting more than 200 posts arguing this, “from a scientist point view of course”…we ended up arguing about semantics which is where I think we’re heading…here as well…..

shybear on Tue, 17th May 2011 2:49 pm 



2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2Tim3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

whether u believe or not its ur choice.

#Thanks Mmaditaba

springdame on Mon, 23rd May 2011 11:42 am 



so many questions without answers indeed. If God created A & E so basically we are all related coz they gave birth to two sons. wait a minute, if so then does that mean Eve reproduced with her sons until another female was born? Who was wife of Abel or Cain i dont remember which one died? how did she come to existence? ai, i tell you this book is one tough book to understand.

I also would like to state what one of the bloggers has stated that i also always wondered who created God and if Jesus is his son then who is his mother? this is truely not anti-christ questions but are just questions that ALL of us ask ourselves but just dont have the guts to speak out on them. We need to just believe in what we believe and hope that when we die we go to heaven and get eternal life

snowman on Thu, 4th Aug 2011 12:07 pm 



Thank you for this inspirational thesis. Questions that most people would not dare to ask. The problem is that the people who should hear/read these comments don’t which results in us not knowing the truth. Siyabonga buti wami may your inquisitivity rub-off on every human being especially the AFRICANS it’s time we woke up and took our rightfull place.

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