The Eric Miyeni Noise

noma4 on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:13 am 



Sho that man is so controversial and dilo tde adibuang ha di motshwanele

noma4 on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:16 am 



Tjo ntate o

thabo4real on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:18 am 



dude got what he deserves, its high time we stopped using the race card to cover up for corrupt politicians. Ancyl and zanu pf are the same, corrupt to the core and when anybody makes some noise about it, they are labelled imperial mecenaries. I hope myeni gets sued to his last dime.

IamMissHope on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:20 am 



My question is if the article was so unappropriate then why did the Editor Okay the article before publishing??? The Editor must be sacked too

Toniice on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:28 am 



Eric raised some valued points..Let’s not bash him rather debate.He put emotions to that article..He was mad when he wrote it..Did y’all expect him to be politically correct??This is the same way we talk when we debate politics with our friends ..The media is run by white ppl who will do anything to make the ANC look bad..This City Press editor must stop playing victim coz she’s a woman Eric attacked her coz she’s the editor..

promisez on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:39 am 



My only concern here is the waste of resources and time spent on same individuals when there are a lot of issues that needs people’s atttention!!!!!

cant south africa get over malema already????? i like his sense of humor, but his ignorance is cracking South Africa’s precious peace!!!!!

IamMissHope on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:45 am 



Toniice – I couldnt agree with you more hey. Well said

Apple on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:48 am 



Firstly, all shame to sowetan for distancing themselves from Eric, if anything, they just showed their incompetence or lack of b*lls ie either the editor didn’t bother reading the article before approving it or he also liked the controversy in but now doesn’t have teh “michael ballacks” to stand by his man.
As for the article itself, taking away the incitement of violence(Eric said on Kaya South africans are not stupid to just listen to him and go necklacing someone. heads up Eric, you are talking about the same people who thought it was ok to torch their own neighbours for “stealing their jobs”); i fully support his support for Malema. White people are corrupt to the core but of course they always hide behind the “company” eg the whole price fixing saga, who benefited from that? but all you hear is it was sasko! The building of teh 2010 stadiums, who investigated WBHO, Murray & Roberts etc for the “agreement” and price fixing so that they at least get to build one stadium each?!
Yes there’s a lot of coruption happening amongst our own but remember whilst we are busy barking and fretting about Malema and co, another 21 year just received their piece of land inheritance, an 18 year old has decided to take a year out of school and travel the world, another Mansion is going up on the foot of table mountain and believe me, none of the above have a black person’s name on them!

miss_a on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:58 am 



I think Eric (as fine as he is and as much as I am attracted to him) is ignoring the issue at hand by pulling the race card. Vele not all white people are above the law and aren’t mixed up with corruption; but the fact of the matter is that Juju’s affairs are cause for concern. We can’t just turn a blind eye (now that he’s sorta been exposed) just because a blind eye is turned to white people all the time. Two wrongs don’t make a right!

Weeding out corruption has to start somewhere, and it will obviously start with those in the public eye, such as Juju. The people investigating Juju aren’t doing so cos he’s black (they themselves are too), but because he is living beyond his means. Let us not defer from the issue at hand by being letting our vision be clouded by black and white. At the end of the day, corruption is corruption and all those involved eventually get caught. Black or not!

The race card is tired and old. As @thabo4real said, we need to stop hiding behind it!

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:06 am 



Eish this issue is so complicated in my mind,there are going to be so many discrepencies in my writting cause I feel that this issue has a lot of grey in it,

This is not strictly a black and white issue, there are a lot of grey areas, but if I
had to choose, I’d say that Eric s more right that Haffajee, by a small margin.

1.I feel that the city press does cater to a certain demographic, that demographic is not black.

2. I’m totally sick of all these people questioning how Malema got his wealth, fact is he got it, by hook or by crook, anyone who says Malema stole from them personally, must go to the nearest police station and lay a charge of theft.

3. Julius dares articulate the truth that most of us are too either brainwashed by the “white’ media to recognise or too lazy to figure out for ourselves!

4.For example Malema says mines which are a natural resource, have to nationalised, be state owned,

When I first heard this I panicked thinking uyahlanya uMalema, but of deeper , second thought , I realised that the man is right, State ownwership of mines is less ” evil’ that individual ownwership by white settlers,

It makes me sick to realise ukuthi settler families like the Oppenheimers actually had the audesity(sp) to own what our collective ancestors blessed us with,

Think of the hunderds of mine workers who dug out the gold and never had even enough to buy wives wedding bands.

5.UHaffejee yena got attacked in her capacity as the editor of city press, she’s the one who has the final okay on the type of black- hating crap they publish,

vele in the eighties besizothi yimpimpi, simbase, but we are not in the eighties and her traitor ass because of organisations such as the ANC has an opportunity to speak whatever crap about the ruling party, without the fear of being jailed in some island.

Buhlebonga on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:37 am 



What is teh point of having an editor? I don’t get it with Avusa. Surely they should make sure that they check what their columnists write before the pieces are published?
It happened with Bullard, Kuli and now Myeni.
Myeni says they’ve had this column since last week? Then WTF didn’t they proof read it for?
The editor is the one who answers to the bosses. if they mess up, their head goes on the chopping block.

I’m not commenting on the issue as I can’t really speak about it, unless I wanna get fired, but it all lies with the filtering system and if it’s messed up, then of course there’s going to be problems. We can’t have one of the biggest and most influential media houses keepn firing their columnists for contrversial comments that they could’ve chosen not to publish.

LadyM on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:40 am 



i also ask why isnt the editor in the firing line? i mean surely he decides what goes and what stays?!! smh!

Vesa on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:48 am 



eish…this is a difficult one! But it’s something that is on everyone’s mind.

The one truth is that, Malema poses soo many threats to corporate South Africa. I’ve been to several seminars and was shocked to hear Business Executives discuss him at length. He wields soo much power and they fear him for that. Now, these expose’s are somewhat aimed at finding dirt on him and discrediting him, thus neutralizing him. It’s an age old practise by Corporate SA.

The other issue is the tone of the article and the language used. Yes we know he used the 80′s a metaphor, but he could’ve put his point across without going there….but would the article be getting the attention it’s getting now? I don’t think so. And I think that’s why the editor decided to publish it as it is.

The one that I’ve never understood even in the workplace is that, if you are a sub-ordinate and you have a breakthrough/ do well at work…the whole reporting line gets a pat on the back for being a good team. But when things fall apart, the hammering seems to miss a few reporting lines and come straight to the person doing the ground work. Why is that….shouldn’t the person who approved everything take the blame for they should have known better?

dejane on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:49 am 



I would like to hear from the Editor of Sowetan. He too needs to speak up and tell us why he published the article. This is an indication of how some people lack a back bone. If he was man enough to run with the article then surely he must be man enough to stand up and explain his reasons for allowing the article to be published.

KevCare on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:52 am 



WHY must a black man always “EXPLAIN” himself & how he acquired his wealth??
As much as i detest the “fact” that Juju, Clifford & their group RUN Limpopo & milk it for all its worth while alotta people suffer, I do agree with him (in principle) saying “IT NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS”! WHO THA PHUUQ are they to make assumptions and accusations without all the facts and have nameless sources?? Let the source be revealed so that his/her credibility can be proven!

Eric might have gone a bit out of hand and didn’t keep his emotions in check BUT What he said is TRUE….Kuyoze kube nini umuntu om’nyama aba guilty until proven innocent???

All that “Heiferjee” and her kind have been doing is to act like the British media does concerning black Africans (except Madiba ofcourse)!! They are CONSTANTLY shining a light on our flaws ONLY!! Trying all they can to discredit black leaders in government & business!! All this does is make Africa getting foreign investment from elsewhere (eg. the East) more difficult and we end up staying controlled by whites from the West (be it origin or ancestry) who have been MILKING African natural resources for centuries and want it to stay that way!!!

As a black African, i too am TIRED of reading about “suspected” corruption by blacks all the time. We have been bombarded with story-after-story by nameless sources! If these sources are real then why aren’t they going to the police with this information and let the law the its course!!??

Buhlebonga on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:57 am 



Thank YOU KevCare!

Vesa on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:57 am 



are they to make assumptions and accusations without all the facts and have nameless sources?? Let the source be revealed so that his/her credibility can be proven!
@KevCare….it was interesting to note that the “sources” boasted about paying money in the trust fund and paying for Juju’s cars. Who the hell in their right mind gives out information like that?

KevCare on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:01 am 



As for the Editor of Sowetan & Avusa management…..they all stink!! How many times have we seen this similar situation?? All they want is for sales of their papers to go up.

Media24 publications have been showing them FLAAAMES and are really cutting their market share figures so once in a while they need something controversial to stay in the game because the quality of their researchers, writing and credible journalists has taken a dive!

snapshot on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:02 am 



One thing that i have heard from my white counterparts is that Malema is the most strongest and feared ever leader in South Africa, every white person fears Malema so they would even try to bribe his gogo just for a scoop on the man.

yesterday i found myself listening to UkhoziFM i don’t know why, but one guy who was been interviewed said something interesting, he said “The ANC needs to change the consitution since we all know that it was drafted in a rush to elections” he continued to say that “the ANC has more power now, it should utilised the power to benefit blacks more” he supported his statements by saying “we did not vote to marry indians and whites but we voted for a better life for all black people, we toy toyed for land, but where is that land now” he mentioned a very interesting point, he said “whenever black people are to be given land, whites will say blacks cant farm, who said land is for farming only, how many whites are farming from the land, we can build hotels, guest houses etc but no because u black u have to be told about farming”

i somehow laughed and understood his point, the race issue will never end not in millions years, truth is white have money and they buy everything, they even buy our souls where you find black people saying it was nice to live in townships and when u move next door the very same whites calls ADT to beef up security with cameras all over thier yards but pointing to ur yard,

i was once lambasted for saying whites should be blamed for apartheid, some white guy wanted to eat me alive, personally i don’t think i can ever treat white people same as i treat my black counterparts cos this people don’t see us as equal to them, so im #TeamEric,

PS if it was the 80s Sowetan Editor was also gonna get a necklace, mxm sell out

Buhlebonga on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:02 am 



@Vesa and why weren’t the ‘sources’ of the informatio written about? Surely if they committed a crime, and bribed Malema they should also face scrutiny? I’m sorry but the double standards in teh news departments of newspaper’s freak me out. I’m better off writing about lifestyle and entertainment.

Wild Island on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:03 am 



stru@IamMissHope/Dejane …i was listening to Tim’s show as well…same as kuli and the rest..mara ama Editors are being spared? why vele..

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:07 am 



@Kev Care& Vesa could not agree wih you more!

@miss- a uthini??? uthi ukhathele with people pulling the race card???

Are you for real??

Do you know that of all the companies on the Johannessburg stock exchange, only 4% are black owned.

This means that white the rest own 94% of our economy!!!

Do you trully believe that this has nothing to do with race, really?

Do we only own 4% of our economy, because… please complete this for me!!!

Come on ungangikwatisi tu!

KevCare on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:07 am 



My point exactly Vesa….IF IF IF the source is real then he/she should turn themselves in to the nearest cop shop with all their evidence leading to Julius and the tenders so that they can all be arrested! Not go around spreading “mgosi” to the papers! *finish&klaar*

mbulela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:08 am 



Dumelang!
Out of silent blogville.
Eric is a certified idiot and does not deserve the attention he will get from writing that pile of poo.
My only worry is why an editor who found that worthy of publication is not walking with him?
Haffejee does not need to go to the courts,she should get Lebo Mashile to deal with him.She knows how to take Eric to the cleaners.
Argue that Malema can be a crook because whites are also corrupt is defeatist,simplistic thinking and will only end up enslaving us all over again.
This race card will never work.Finish and Klaar.
As bad as apartheid was,our leaders and their spokesmen playing the race card while they enrich only themselves will only impoverish us all at the end.
Nationalisation is a failed case and will NEVER work.Where did you ever see the state manage and run natural resources and it succeeded?Show me one successful example?
Here in Mzansi show me one business that govt has run successfully?
natural resources should be run my the market with private interests paying for the rights and contributing to the development of the communities where these resources are found.
We nationalize these mines and we have these inept crooks masquerading as comrades deployed to loot and run them down and at the end they will blame the past.
If i had my way, even governance in this country will be privatised.These comrades are only able and interested in governing their pockets and those of their cronies.
The ANC seems to mistake governance with liberation struggle,that will be our greatest undoing.
Eric has only succeeded in introducing a race card to an issue of accountability and probity of our political leaders.
I hope Haffejee and others who are trying to hold these leaders of ours to account will not allow this success of his to live long.
If we choose not to hold our leaders accountable because they share the same skin colour as us or because their is a white guy in our suburb or office who is corrupt or his grandfather was corrupt,the we are hastening the decay and destruction of this country with our own hands.
We can not achieve equality by trying to spread corruption around evenly along race lines.
I am actually bemused that Juju is considered to be one who articulates the truth.What truth?He just excites the masses and his audience with empty rhetorics while being part of a leadership that is drawing us as a society more backwards than you can imagine.
He is a youth leader and their are myriad of issues facing the youths in this country,tell me one the ANCYL has been able to address effectively?i mean just one.

Back to Silent ville and hugs to all here.Especially Lela my ex and missAN (I hope the lines are beginning to fall in pleasant places for you?Still in my prayers).I hope Flower is fine?My thoughts are with her too.

salani kahle!

TheeGorgeous1 on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:10 am 



What happened with Lebo Mashile?
Is that why she was being so active @ Twitterland in his whole “saga”?

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:10 am 



I’m so embarrassed to be a South African. These are not Nelson Mandela’s ideologies. That man worked so hard to bridge the gap and all we’re doing is throwing it all away with all this racial tension. I mean we just celebrated Mandela Day the other week. Kanti what was that for? It’s black this, white that. Ay seniyacika manje. If Mandela dies tomorrow, I’m holding everyone who is entertaining this race nonsense accountable for his dead because he’ll certainly die of heartache. Imagine watching 67 years of hard work being washed down the drain.

Julius always claims to be a poor African child who earns only R25 000. A poor African child who owns a farm, a home in Jhb’s most expensive suburb, who drives expensive cars and wears designer clothing amongst other things. You’d have to be really really dumb not to realise how this just doesn’t add up.

Are we saying that blacks have carte blanche to dealing in criminal activites to enrich themselves because they were excluded during the apartheid era? This colour thing is really getting to me. One day we’ll wake up in act two of the drama that’s happening in Zim. Let’s cut this race crap and move on. Shady people MUST be investigated and exposed if they’re up to no good. Yes, even the poor African children.

All I’m saying is always keep an open mind when it comes to politicians. They’re guilty most of the time. You’d swear Eric Miyeni is Julius’ accountant. He’s so sure of his innocence.

Wild Island on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:11 am 



@snap “whenever black people are to be given land, whites will say blacks cant farm, who said land is for farming only, “..well ex: lad was given back to the ppl of zimbabwe an what ddid they do with it????? those ppl bahleli,machines are rusty they dont even know how to service them and umlungu was the only one who knew what to do makunje so uyabona kuyafana..

off topic:

nala emzansi remember they wer given land abanya bantu and that minister ended up threatining abantu ukuthi fi tehy dont use that lad they wer gonna reposess it back and still nothing…so sometimes mina i feel ukuthi abantu abamnyama bayathanda”sometimes” ukukhalela izinto at the end of the dayabazi nokuthi baqalephi…another thing yabona le issue kamalema..i agree no Malusi Gigaba..he is chanting this nantionalisation for abantu..baphi bona..will i mina Wild ozisebenzele ofisini benefit? and again he said”We, who run the country, know the harm this reckless debate is doing to the good image and investments of the country,…yazini and ama stats ayasho ukuthi there is a good/neg result ngaleyonto..

after all u eric vele is asking a good question ukuthi why abantwabamnyama bahlala babuzwa..and again vele after i ANC iba eshlalweni kune corruption eningi and they are making ppl to ask such ques mostan..hai stru democrasi kaetshaba

mbulela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:12 am 



Do you know that of all the companies on the Johannessburg stock exchange, only 4% are black owned.
This means that white the rest own 94% of our economy!!!

So we should steal our way to claw back the 94 percent?

Nola on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:15 am 



I think the reason the media is always focusing on “black politicians” is because the are the ones in charge of the country so the way they go about doing they business is of more importance than the DA for E.G

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:23 am 



Dexter says: I’m so embarrased to be South african….then Dexter please go elsewhere, I’ll help you pack!

Hayi suka I’m so sick of black people denying the existence of racism..

Dang , how many white people do you know who live in shack?

How many white people have the grant as their only source of income ?

How many white folk work for R1500 a month?

How many white people do you see who live like us!surrounded by untarred roads, with plumbing outside of the house etc.

Untill they live like us or we live them (in Gholf estates)

I say Juju makayidle imali shem!

Mna I have no problem with Julius enriching himself, and he does not run a government departent so his riches cannot come from state coffers

Why should Julius not live in Sandton, last I checked sandton was part of South africa & Juju is South african,

Dexter, will the poor have bread if Julius moves to Alex

hayi suka man!

B.MAG on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:26 am 



when was the last you heard white man being investigated for his wealthy? how can you avoid pulling a race card whilst whites practise it on our daily basis.

mbulela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:26 am 



@theeGeorgeous; http://www.artlink.co.za/news_article.htm?contentID=25104

FentseStar on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:28 am 



@Dexter, who said Mandela himself isn’t corrupt?Jus coz he went to prison n fought 4 freedom dont mean he’s a saint. uTata naye had his faults n im sure dat during his prime he also made some shady deals like Zuma,Malema n the likes…

On the issue of nationilisation of mines, Juju shud jus SIT DOWN cz we all know ukuthi ugovernment doesn’t know how to rule!! Jus look at other govenment parastatals such as the SABC…Do people really think that nationilisation will benefit the masses at grass roots level? NEVER, i bet Juju n his comrades stand to benefit hence they advocating for such.

Personally, i think u Eric lost his cool n he should bear the brunt of his actions.

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:30 am 



@Yes Mbulela, we should steal to claw back the remaining 94% cause that’s how the settlers got the 94% to begin with!

No white man came to Africa with land,cattle,gold &, &,

The only thing they brought to Africa was superior weapons , which is why they ended up with 94% of our economy!

Wild Island on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:31 am 



my sista…*jaw dropped*…Untill they live like us or we live them (in Gholf estates)

haibo they do live like us nje…thina sithola ama grants bona batholama vouchers bakhona abantuabamnyama kuma golf estates nje…lol

posh on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:32 am 



As much as there is some truth in what Miyeni raised (minus the tone and undiplomatic manner he wrote)and I concur that there is a tendency to criminalise Black’s wealth, and I say go to Bedfordview, East Rand and see how White criminals live a high life, I still believe Malema is not above scrutiny.

He loves playing to the public gallery and puts himself out there for public scrutiny, he chastise everyone in public why must he be not questioned in public if there is evidence that he might be getting kickbacks?

He has not answered who deposit money into his trust fund?

If we say we do not care whether he gets his money from kickbacks, are we condoning the practice?

we need to ask ourselves hard questions

Buhlebonga on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:34 am 



I hate how white people are always like Madiba is the benchmark for all blacks, a saint. Didn’t they hate for many years? Called him names and now because they couldn’t deal with the pressures from the world, they freed him, now we must all want to be like him? Mind you the ANC’s ideologies were set by Madiba and company.

I personally do not look up to him. I look up to the Sisulu’s and the Tambos, families who stayed together after being persecuted and separated for many years! Their love stories were great and that Madiba divorced Winnie because of her image after she had been persecuted and abused, her children taken away from her for lengthy periods of time? That was messed up. These families also spent their lives working for us to be free, our families to be free. Not just madiba alone!

FentseStar on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:36 am 



White people are the most corrupt people i know, they just know how to cover up their tracks extremely well. Totally agree with @mysista, they dont live like us. White people dont wana see blacks progressing. Once they see udarkie driving the same car as them, they shout fraud n corruption! They see udarkie getting a promotion, they shout affirmative action/BEE. They see udarkie getting better marks at school, they shout corruption n all things nasty. So to all those who are sick n tired of the race card, i suggest u pack ur freakin bags n fotsek!!! cz clearly u haven’t experienced wat some of us experience on a daily basis…RACISM

Kusihlwa on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:37 am 



*Pops head in,gets burnt by the heated debate and walks away*

Leungo on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:38 am 



To all those that are in support of Malema and Eric Myeni remember these few facts:

*Malema knew that City Press was investigating him and even had the evidence, he went to court to try and stop them from publishing the story but the court rules in favour of City Press because they had done their homework and were reporting facts.

*For an innocent man he has not sued City Press for defamation of character

*While we continue with this “hands off our black wealthy leaders statements” and also say white people are also corrupt, remember that is it blacks who live in squatter camps and lack basic needs while the money that could be helping them are lining the pockets of corrupt individuals.

*We are staring to sound like broken records, bringing race into whatever argument we get in. Black companies are not JSE listed because their owners would rather buy expensive cars, wear five expensive watches, shop in Italy France etc rather than invest in business and grow it. Sbu and Shawn Mpisane have lots of money and a stable business. They would rather shop overseas, throw expensive parties and buy each other ridiculoulsy expensive cars. We need to stop blaming other races for our lack of progress, there are many black millionaires in SA but they would rather impress. Keep moving forward because if you keep glancing backwards you will trip and fall and fail to reach your dreams.

Remember that justifying corruption, whether black or white will not take is anywhere except the Zim, Congo and Nigerian route.

MsTeee on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:42 am 



Hayi guys go easy on the essays I wanna read Tjo!!!

KevCare on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:46 am 



I have NO PROBLEM with corruption being exposed and we are not defending these criminal activities….HOWEVER…Let WHITE crime & corruption also be exposed!!!

Why is crime by a white man always swept under the carpet??

Lets expose the white law firms & investment companies that blindside black people out of their retirement funds on a daily basis!!!

Lets expose the disgusting living conditions underground miners
live in in their hostels while being fed a staple diet of Mageu Number 1 while their bosses & their kids spend winter holidays skiing at Tiffendale & summer surfing in Jbay!

It ok to expose & “hold accountable” blacks who drive Lambos in Sandton but let also EXPOSE how on earth 23yr old Indian boy drives an Aston Martin while his White friend drives a Bentley in CampsBay!

Why make a noise about the darkie Sbu but keep quite about the white family living in a mansion 500metres from di RDP houses in CosmoCity, going shopping in a Brand SPANKING new Rolls Royce Ghost!!??

Corruption MUST be exposed on all frontiers but the media seems to turn a blind eye when the “accused” has lesser melanin….THATS what we are arguing!

Lets be FAIR!

sk1 on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:48 am 



Snapshot says One thing that i have heard from my white counterparts is that Malema is the most strongest and feared ever leader in South Africa, every white person fears Malema

Ma manager said ze same thing 2me jst the ada day …whites fear him big time & I think dey using ol their resources to neutralize him …I concur wit Eric his views mite hv bin harsh & emotional howeva his telling it as it is.

miss_a on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:49 am 



@mysista, please see the comment I’m gonna paste below from @Dexter, as he sums up perfectly what I’m tryna say:

“Are we saying that blacks have carte blanche to dealing in criminal activites to enrich themselves because they were excluded during the apartheid era? This colour thing is really getting to me. One day we’ll wake up in act two of the drama that’s happening in Zim. Let’s cut this race crap and move on. Shady people MUST be investigated and exposed if they’re up to no good. Yes, even the poor African children.”

At the end of the day, EVERY person who has shady dealings MUST be investigated; whether black or white. We have to be held accountable for our actions sonke as human, no one should be above anyone else. Yes apartheid fcked things up terribly for us as a race, but that doesn’t mean we have to use shady dealings to get ahead! That would be like saying it’s ok for a black person to kill a white person and they shouldn’t be arrested cos they had to deal with apartheid! Juju uyayidla imali but (as you say) people are still living in houses with no running water and untarred roads; so who is winning lapho? NO ONE! Except Juju himself! Maybe if he was using his money to help the people (along with all these other fat cats sitting there in parliament and chowing all the money they can lay their hands on) it would be something else. But he’s NOT! He doesn’t care about all our millions of unemployed people, all the homeless ones and those who can’t afford an education; all he cares about is HIMSELF! So “us blacks” are benefiting fck all from him having these stashed away millions. How is that fair?!
I am not attacking Juju, everything I have said applies to everyone out there who is enriching themselves through shady practises!

By being involved in corruption, all we are doing is setting ourselves back! We need to let go of this whole mentality that is so prevalent in our country or, as @Dexter so eloquently put it, we WILL find ourselves living in a country just like Zimbabwe!

mysista, Juju and the likes may be tryna claw back that 94% you speak of but I can bet you a million rands that they are clawing it back for themselves and only they, the elite few, will benefit! My aunt will still live in a house with no running water or electricity and untarred roads, along with the millions of other South Africans out there.

I also agree with how @mbulela has worded it.

posh on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:49 am 



@Mysista Mna I have no problem with Julius enriching himself, and he does not run a government departent so his riches cannot come from state coffers..

Then he must not go around and chastise other poeple in public who do the same,he stood up in one rally in Prez Zuma’s presence and criticised family connections used in awarding tenders and corruption, he potrayed himself as pro-poor and someone who do not care about bling…

And the kickbacks do come from government coffers because they have to inflate costs in order for Juju to get his million and others get their share..

So, lets say Julius really get kickbacks, are we saying its okay when it is Julius?

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:49 am 



@mysista, I see your love for Julius has got you all hot and bothered. Should I be prescribing a nebulizer to you?

Please go back and carefully read what I said. This time please make sure that your brain is uncluttered. I never said anything about denying racism. I also never said anything about why black people are not supposed to be living in Sandton. Where are you getting all this from?

dejane on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:53 am 



@ Dexter yaz just last week here at work there was a discussion on the article written by Moeletsi Mbeki where he was ‘attacking’the ANC. There was a question raised ukuthi does Madiba agree or share the same ideologies as Julius? One listener sent in a sms saying the government cannot spell hypocrisy so they call it democracy. Most of these leaders have given us reason not to trust them, so why should we pull the wool over our eyes and pretend all is ok? If white people are also guilty of fraud, and corruption then good for them for hiding it so well.

Kusihlwa on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:53 am 



My question is will corruption ever end in South Africa? Whether black or white its still corruption non the less and as long as people like Schabir Shaik,Jackie Selebie and other politically connected people walk away scott free the answer is no because they make a mockery of the law.The other thing I ask myself as journalist is how far can we as the media go to expose corruption. Because you investigate a story and approach your news editor about it and because the political subject of your story is your bosses friend or friend of a friend that story will never see the light of day. Doesnt that also make us enablers for corruption to carry on infecting this country? kunzima khona.

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:57 am 



As far as I’m concerned(why am I sounding like u Ngconde from room 8):

You can never trust amandiya uFarial Hafajee, yindiya: labantu are so phuqin two faced and deceitful that if they shake your hand you must count your fingers afters! chances are you’ll have digits missing!

Abelungu bona are like viruses, seriously they thrive by invading the host,and sucking all of the resources out of the host and then they finally , kill the host (they are precisely thike the HIV virus) uJulius is ama ARV

@JoneighGALAXY on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 11:59 am 



This Eric Miyeni / Avusa debacle brings forth the whole issue of ‘freedom of speech’, its definition, and limits within the constitution. Miyeni isn’t the only one who’s on the wrong side of the law. It was the editor, Len Maseko who approved of the content, before authorizing the article. He must explain his position & reasons behind that. Since Miyeni’s column was discontinued due to its content, then the editor must follow. These Avusa editors lack accountability & credibility.

Mathaz on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:03 pm 



She got Kuli fired and now Eric?Malema,we wont allow them to silence you,keep on roaring.

Kusihlwa on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:05 pm 



@JG,let me tell you something most editors dont check the content that goes into thier papers or websites. They give so much trust up to thier writers that they let them to write as they please as long as the column meets the deadline and maybe they will also be busy with other things. Or the editor read and approved the story but because the ish is hitting the fan now they are slowly backing away leaving the writer to face the music.I know this for a fact.I also think that heads need to roll in Avusa.

FentseStar on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:14 pm 



i dont understand why South Africans feel that politicians’ personal salaries should be shared with the masses. I mean if Malema or Tokyo Sexwale earn a fat salary,n they decide to spoil themselves with sports cars where’s the wrong in that? If the money was acquired thru frauding government n so on the yah we should throw a fit, but if its their own personal salary then why should we be bothered bout how they spendin it? Politicians earn salaries jus like u n me, yes its not the same amount but we should stop feeling like they should be feedin the masses. Hai maan kante wat are government initiatives for? Politicians are not responsible for the well-being of the people, government (as an institute) is!!

sillyangel on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:18 pm 



As much as black people are STILL suffering the consequences of aparthied, that should not give any black person the right to be corrupt.
YES the majority of us id poor
YES this country is still run by white people
YES rascism is still alive
BUT that doesnt mean those who are in power must have any right to abuse the system therefore only making the poor ,even more poor and making a select few RICH.

its shocking that people out here are saying that because we suffered as a nation, CRIME IS OK ??????

no man, sit down !!

sillyangel on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:19 pm 



*is

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:24 pm 



@mysista, your negative aura has no place in 21st century South Africa. Your kind lives in Australia. TJO! Such silly issues from a young black educated lady. Here… \_____SIT DOWN!

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:26 pm 



@ Dexter I’m so embarrassed to be a South African. These are not Nelson Mandela’s ideologies. That man worked so hard to bridge the gap and all we’re doing is throwing it all away with all this racial tension. I mean we just celebrated Mandela Day the other week. Kanti what was that for? It’s black this, white that. Ay seniyacika manje. If Mandela dies tomorrow, I’m holding everyone who is entertaining this race nonsense accountable for his dead because he’ll certainly die of heartache. Imagine watching 67 years of hard work being washed down the drain

@Dexter uthi wena you are tired of this black this/ white that…you are in the wrong country ke cause almost everything boils down to race in South Africa, And you say you will hold anyone who entertains this race “nonsense: responsible for mandela’s death

In the first place racism is not nonsense, it is real, it takes away people’s resources, time,land,initiative, self esteem… I could go on , but I choose not to

If Mandela dies it will be because of old age, the man is 93, kanti wena ulindeleni?

Wild Island on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:27 pm 



@fentse dont compare the two pls…hau angeke phela lol” mean if Malema or Tokyo Sexwale earn a fat salary,n they decide to spoil themselves with sports cars where’s the wrong in that”

Never!!!!

nangu u Beki Cele bayinyathelile indaba yakhe haisuka man

KevCare on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:30 pm 



Sideline: I missed the Julius Malema interview on 702 and the podcast isn’t up yet. Anyone who has another link mayb??? Please share!!

NetworkLounge on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:40 pm 



2 wrongs dont make a right!

1. If white people also have trusts with millions funded by their white business friends to further the white agenda, why must black leaders follow suit, “HOW DO YOU SPEAK AGAINST SOMETHING AND THEN TURN AROUND AND DO IT”.

2. What happened to being a BLACK, FAIR, JUST, OPINIONATED AND PRODUCTIVE POLITICIAN. Why do you need to live in a million’s rands house, drive flashy cars, be on metro fm, ujive no Chomie to be a known public figure. Juju is not running a govt department mara the mother body runs the country. Does he even know what is PR.

3. How do you say you will walk into a country, plot with opposition to topple umbuso walelo lizwe, is that not a form of terrorism, “2 wrongs dont make a right”.

4. If City Press is out of line and is supported by the White Masters, are you then right Mr Myeni to insight such a racial, non proven facts attack on this lady. I HOPE YOUR NAME IS NOT ON THE LIST OF THE PEOPLE FUNDING THE TRUST FUND.

5. The millions you are using to rebuild a house in Sandown could make a difference in a squatter camp somewhere, it might be a small temporary difference but it is a difference nonetheless.

Nkosi yami lashabalala izwe.

@printedprint on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:46 pm 



There is a very CLEAR line between attacking the issue of how “the media” always questions black money and blatantly attacking one woman, making FOOLISH racial statements and expecting society to shut up and say “he’s just voicing out his opinions”! The article was tacky and worse than a high school english essay!!! His attack should’ve been pointed at how our media is still very much run by white folks and how ‘they’ will do whatever it takes to run down black money! HE’S RACIST finish and klaar!

TheeGorgeous1 on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:50 pm 



Thank you Mbuli!

Beautybaby on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:51 pm 



I just wanna say its not ALWAYS the white man’s fault that we live in squalor (sp), I mean 17yrs on the Gov have failed to erect those tarred roads cos chances r they have chowed the money, gave tenders to friends who hv no clue what they are doing. I agree white people will aways have a pull a black man down syndrome, mara le rona maaan!!!

mamamia on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:58 pm 



Good day bloggers.

So Sowetan did it again huh, why am I not surprised. Even Daily Sun is capitalising on their slack.

Well Eric is an idiot of note. For a guy who is so articulate he sure lost his head. Those kinds of hateful passions should be exercised at home, in your car or shower. Cause you never know who’s bugging your phone. He shoulda, coulda and woulda are rather futile at this point. He lost his objective reasoning and chose to treat his column like a diary entry, forgetting his opinions might be his to own, but they come under the scrutiny of everybody’s else’s as well. My how the wheel turns.

The editor of Sowetan is an incompetent who thrives on short term sensationalism at the expense of his workforce. There were many ways to skin this cat. Instead he chose cheap thrills and discarded foresight. Who’s having the last laugh now, Mr Editor. Certainly not City Press!

As detestable as Juju is sometimes to the senses. The man has a valid point. Mines should be nationalised. Think about the repercussions for the people of this country when SA benefits instead of a handful of mining companies. Education could be accessible and free to tertiary level without the need for loans. I think that’s how Botswana actually funds their free education system (correct me if i’m wrong).
For a country with such a wealth of resources we are very lacking in imagination. Do you know that the minerals that our fathers and brothers mine out and even die for are being sold back to us. That wedding ring, or chain around your neck from American Swiss was mined in SA, exported to be processed elsewhere and later sold back to you at a premium. Guess who’s making the profit. Sure you get to bling but you not really rich. How do you own gold, diamonds, a wealth of resources as a nation, yet have nothing, I mean ZERO to show for it.
He he the elite going on about blood diamonds and what not yet miners live and die very poor with little to leave for their children. You think just because it’s Anglo American there’s no corruption, fraud, bribery and kick backs. Corruption is not a black vs white thing, it’s a greed thing, human nature thing and power thing. Where there is money there will always be corruption.

Beautybaby on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 12:59 pm 



Ditto @Leungo, I work in a construction co. For years the construction contractors had been white, until BEE scorecard catchup with us and they decided to get a black contractor. Tjonnnaaa! What a mess, he didn’t even last a year, he made a mess on sites, didn’t hv proper equipments etc. When he gets money he flaunted it. I mean doesn’t it make sense for a contractor to buy a bakkie than X5? Goe to site with overalls than LV t-shirts? He is now being sued millions and guess what? He is crying racism.

Maratahelele on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:10 pm 



let me get one thing,are we saying black people with questionable wealth like malema should not be investigated just cause whites are not investigated?? This is like saying old government was corrupt and we should not complain about todays government corruption!!!

You guys are amazing for real. Nothing will make corruption right,black or white. Corruption was wrong back then,it is still wrong today. If myeni complained that city press should investigate white peeps also,then be it but dnt tell us that it is wrong to investigate a guy who lives a millionaire’s life with an apparent ”20k” salary…

Silvio on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:13 pm 



good one

Monei on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:17 pm 



Kante didn’t ANC want to have its own paper? why doesn’t it establish such to counteract every article they feel they’re wrongly persecuted for, eg. maybe there we’ll see white ppl being being persecuted. im sure they can find the money somewhere.

And isn’t it funny that people would rather go to the media with all sorts of problems/accusations about either gov service or specific ppl instead of to the relevant depts (oh health, housing) or the cops. says something about the faith one has about things getting done via legit processes.

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:21 pm 



How do we know that Eric isn’t Julius’ agent? Wait… I know. It’s because he’s black and even if he was an agent it would be ok. If Ms Haffajee can be an agent, so can Eric Miyeni. Open your eyes S.A. Our government has failed us and the only card that they can whip is the race card. They are dividing the little we’re trying to build. Soon we’ll be killing one another and BOOM we’ll be even worse off. Hate will lead to division, which will lead to war. We’d be so consumed in it that our country would collapse right in front of us.

Lets pray for our leadership. What a hot ghetto mess we’re in. SMH!

sillyangel on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:23 pm 



I agree with everyone that says corruption is corruption klaar
black, white, coloured, pink , organge , green … if you are suspected of using criminal tactics to make your money than you should be investigated !

Juju must be investigated and IF he is found guilty, that will be one less hypocrite in power.

Lets stop being childish by crying rascism, when OUR leaders are being corrupt…
INFACT we should not only be investigating Juju but every person that plays a key role in goverment.
if you want to be in power or represent me, you need to have pure intentions and stand the higher ground.

mamamia on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:30 pm 



on the flip side, it’s us blacks who worsen the state of our own existense. Go to a squatter camp, there is filth, sewage and garbage everywhere, it is revolvting. The stench alone could suffocate a rat.
In towns most populated by blacks you see public bins almost everywhere yet motho o ja di skopas and then throws the platic or the banana peel on the side of the road, just mere centimetres from the allocated waste bin. You look at them like dude WTH, and you hear dumb crap like “I’m creating employment”. For who..your fellow blacks cos you don’t see whites picking up your garbage and some are poor enough to do it.

On fridays, black youth drink and throw the bottles out the windows, litterig their own back yards. It’s so laughable. when they strike or protest, either people must die, houses or people must burn, stores looted, schools vandalised, trains burnt or they must leave a trail of garbage and waste behind!
In flats populated by our type, laundry is either hanging from the balcony views or being stolen from washing lines. ATMs set up to make it easy for your black gogo to withdraw money instead of that montly trip to the bank are bombed on an hourly rate. Our attitude sucks big time and you wonder why the whites or white backed, white-owned industries don’t bother with us.

I’ll tell you one thing, they would rather keep their white tendencies, even Juju himself does not imagine himself living in squalor. He’d rather visit it from time to time so to remind himself never to go back there again.
White people know how to do white, they invented it.
Us we must have invented the excuses!!

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:32 pm 



Julius is my hero becausehe
1. Does not apologise to white people for existing!
2. Does not feel the need to explain himself to no man!
3. Leads his life, following his own rules!
4. He is a democraticaly elected leader of the youth, for the biggest political party in South Africa.
5. He knows that there is nothing cute about being poor, so he does aything in his power to make sure that he is rich

VIVA JULIUS!

Naomi on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:40 pm 



HOW MUCH DID THE ANCYL PAY ERIC MIYENI TO WRITE THAT ARTICLE?

WILL ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO MAKE REGULAR AND GENEROUS DONATIONS TO THE RATANANG TRUST FUND ALSO HOLLA AT A GIRL! LE RONA WE WANT A PIECE OF THE PIE BATHONG!!

LET’S ALL CUT THE BS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW JULIUS MALEMA ROLLS.IT’S NOT DOING THE COUNTRY ANY GOOD, BESIDES ALL THE OTHER WHITE CRIMINALS ARE NOT OUT THERE SINGING KILL THE BOER, THE WORLD IS WATCHING!!!

I LOVE THE ANC OF NELSON MANDELA AND OLIVER TAMBO, BECAUSE OF THEM I CAN SIT MY DEGREED ASS IN MY WARM OFFICE WORKING DAMN HARD NOT WAITING FOR GRANT MONEY, AND FOOD PARCELS!!!

THIS ANC OF JULIUS MALEMA, ZIZI KODWAS AND THE JACOB ZUMAS IS NOT MY ANC!! THE ANC OF ASS SHAKING,JOHNNY WALKER BLACKS AND MOET??? PHHHUUUKKK MAN

dejane on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:44 pm 



Thank you Mamamia. Have you seen the state of Joburg cbd? It is absolutely appalling. Hawkers that don’t clean up their mess, our taxi ranks are filthy, those buildings are in no condition to live in. Yet we have ourselves to blame, si zi moshele straight.

Beautybaby on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:47 pm 



*hugs and kisses Mamamia with open mouth* u r so right, we have entitlement issues. Why burn schools and clinics?

Monei on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:52 pm 



Maybe Julius is right for this time of SA’s democracy. you know like that boyfriend u have to go through to learn what you want/need in a man. I personally believe as country, we can raise better leaders. one’s who remember that they are servants of the people who voted them into power (and other inhabitants) and r thus accountable for the actions in those positions of leadership.”With great power, comes great responsibility” (lol@spiderman ref) responsibility has an element of accountability. Things the editors and Juju may be lacking.

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:56 pm 



I read Miyeni’s article and saw the outcry on twitter. I found nothing wrong on his article but a bit sensational. I also did listen on Radio702 his debate witgg Farial and found her to act like a victim in all this. Miyeni had valid points with regards to City Press’s reporting. Farial even admitted that she doesn’t care abt what the white DA man is doing and that she’ll report what an ANC man coz he belongs to a ruling party. Lastly I found that this 702 guy, Kinou or something like that, to me baised

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 1:57 pm 



Sooner or later I KNEW that udarkie having a low self esteem was going to turn around and declare ukuba me myself as udarkie am actually responsible for
Colonialism
1913 land act
Armed land grabs
The active destruction of black languages
The decrepid state of Townships
The decrepid state of CBD’s
everything that goes wrong in my life I am soley responsible for ,

Mna as udarkie I will give absolute absolution to the white man, cause you see , he is white , right and pure,

He can do no wrong, sithi mos esi wrong, we should not live in Sandton like he does, and drive nice cars like him,

We instead should stick to the squallor of the township to prove what good youth league leaders we are, how beyond reproach and uncoraptable we are!

USteve Biko died too damned soon!

Darkie I beg of you, love yourself, please zama nana, I know kunzima, but zama, Start by loving uJuju ke!

Marl on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 2:00 pm 



Obviously this a complex issue and it does not really help that other issues are being conflated here. That’s the natural inclination. But i have 10 points to make.

One, Eric was expressing his opinion and this is why his piece (no pun intended) did not appear in The Sowetan’s editorial pages. Two, this went through several hands (Sub-Editor, Chief Sub-Editor, Editor and Editor-in-Chief?) so how come those hands found it worthy to publish, only to can the column altogether? This is extremely bad newspaper management.

Three, Eric raises a fundamental issue which, unfortunately, many people are not prepared to digest. Who runs most South African newspapers? What agendas do they serve? What is their role in the overall national dialogue? These are critical questions which continuously need to be asked because mass media, like The Sowetan and City Press are shapers of society.

Four, what is The Sowetan’s founding philosophy? So we need to ask as did James Briggs McClatchy in his 1993 address to American editors and publishers – “The philosophical basis on which a newspaper rests is extremely important. Why is it published? Only to turn a profit? Or does it have another purpose? The answer is yes, our newspapers have philosophical roots. What has been this unique character?” Clearly the name “The Sowetan” is derived from Soweto and so this newspaper allegedly speaks to people from Soweto or those with similar experiences – present and past. I shant bore you with details of Soweto’s history – you know it – save to say that place has always be a battleground and a hugely contested terrain.

Five, City Press demographics demand a certain kind of reporting. And this is why Malema and the ANC at large have dominated their front pages in recent weeks under the guise of making government accountable. The less said about The Sunday Times here the better. But look, as Eric points out, this demographic is increasingly black and is finding it really hard to embrace its blackness against all this white opulence around it. So it is self-disgusted and becomes self-hating.

Six, indeed opportunities in post-colonial Africa (and post-apartheid South Africa) seem to abound. The reality, however, paints a different picture. The former oppressor’s hold on economic power has remained intact despite relinquishing the political power. Rampant corruption by those who took over from the colonizer has not made the situation any better. It is like all the time they were pretending to be fighting the colonizer while actually reading from his manual so that when they take over, they would become the new colonizers.

Seven, Aime Cesaire’s words are profoundly instructive; “I see clearly what colonization has destroyed…I see clearly the civilizations; condemned to perish at a future date, into which it has introduced a principle of ruin: the South Sea islands, Nigeria, Nyasaland [and South Africa]. I see less clearly the contributions it has made. Security? Culture? The rule of law? In the meantime, I look around and wherever there are colonizers and colonized face to face, I see force, brutality, cruelty, sadism, conflict, and, in a parody of education, the hasty manufacture of a few thousand subordinate functionaries, “boys,” artisans, office clerks, and interpreters necessary for the smooth operation of business.” Now, where are you most likely to find this “few thousand subordinate functionaries”? Auckland Park, Rosebank or Luthuli House?

Eight, the unfortunate thing in post-colonial Africa and indeed South Africa is that we have consistently had media which think they are the best thing that ever happened to their fellow country-people; Media with oversized egos, bloated self-importance and a gross detest for their own people. But we have to be somehow grateful to it for it keeps our leaders on their toes, they are the watchdogs. Secretly, however, they are lapdogs do capital – and we all know the source of that capital!
Paulo Freire’s words are also deeply instructive: “An unjust social order is the permanent fount of this “generosity”, which is nourished by death, despair and poverty. That is why the dispensers of false generosity become desperate at the slightest threats to its source”.

Nine, we need to pay close attention to the guiding words of Frantz Fanon on what it means to be truly liberated from oppression. Just because you can now go to Rosebank when you could not previously leave Alexandria is not the point; the point is are you now able to SHOP & DINE in Rosebank if you’re from Alexandria?
Says Fanon: “Independence is not a word which can be used as an exorcism, but an indispensible condition for the existence of men and women who are truly liberated, in other words who are truly masters of all the material means which make possible the radical transformation of society.” Who controls the material means by the way?

The last word belongs to Frantz Fanon again and I quote this as a reflection of what South Africa is doing in response to people like Eric – taking away their voice because it attacks the source of capital and demands accountability from it. Over to you Fanon: “The future will have no pity for those men (and women) who, possessing the exceptional privilege of being able to speak words of truth to their oppressors, have taken refuge in an attitude of passivity, of mute indifference, and sometimes of cold complicity.”

Done!

Makgotso on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 2:06 pm 



Okay, haven’t read the comment but had say this finally I get to read the whole article people were making noise about.

I share the same sentiments with Eric eish mara he use the harsh voice man, you can sense his angry tone on the article. Its high time where journalists should start digging to other race’s business deal white collar crime is being practised by every race babasabi yini ngathi kuyehlela la kithi bantu abansudu. I don’t condone our people to have shady deals though mara bandla ayadika amajournalist sometimes.

As for the Editor who fired Eric naye makaxoshwe aowa he approved it mos he must held liable bayayithanda icontrovesy bese bevika ngokuxosha abantu.

MissAN on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 2:10 pm 



And the funny thing these ‘things’ and ‘places’ White people do not want black people to enjoy are of their own mental creation,we just there to toil,sell them the raw materials and buy BEE shares instead of starting from scratch…Did I forget to mention,these whites are spending 3rd,4th,etc generation money???

Anyones who has ‘known’ me long enough knows how I feel about the status quo of the goverment and comrades that are against corruption,I am leaving the struggle. I do not give a damn anymore that the Gini coefficient of SA is one of the hoghest in the world,if not the hoghest… As most know,I am unemployed,if you in any BEE deals,please,by all means holler at me,I have the EE,black,female and young…

Let the poor eat sushi and drown their sorrows in Moet…

Lol @ Steve Biko dying too soon,at least it was less painful than what it could have done to his BC soul had he been still alive…

@Luengelo… I trust what you say and you in the highest office of the state if I remember correctly,so who are we to doubt what is really going on in SA??

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 2:15 pm 



@ Marl bravo!

The media is not free,it has owners and those owners are the rand lords of old(capital) anyone who thinks differently is actually not thinking!

The media is not philathropic, it does not actually serve society!

The way the moderately educated black just digests without question anything served by the white media is sickening!

In all the things I detest in the world, in all the things that make me naar klaar! the things that give me cramps and headaches simultaneously!!!

Nothing makes me more cross than a person who regurgitates “popular ” opinion from whatever source, whether be from the media, society, anywhere…

And then the person turn around and says “it is my opinion” WTF???

How can it be your opinion if you mind was never engaged? if you’ve gotten it from Debra Patta or CNN or City Press or 702 or John Robie or where ever

Just lets all please challenge our minds , let us “think” let us use the space between our two ears please let us just think!

MissAN on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 2:27 pm 



I really wish I had the time and energy to take part in this debate… I will however ‘engage’ with Eric Myeni next time I spot him in 7th Avenue…

My take on race and gender is,the fact that you try to prove that another race is not superior to is,is admission that they really are.

eve on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:00 pm 



All races are corrupt, just because we do not know about the Oppenheimers corrupt deeds does not make them pure. just that us black people squander to a point of no return.

I bet once Mandela dies we will get to hear of scandal after sacandal. afterall we are all human.

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:08 pm 



Well said Marl

Just heard on the news that Juju claims that he was informed that there is a contract on.
If the kill him then its gonna be obvious to the masses that he has ruffled some very sensitive feathers with his “empty rhetorics”

Kabza on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:37 pm 



@ Mysista & Marl.

Thank you guys for being thinkers. A lot of people on here are completely missing the crux of the matter here, which is this. What exactly inspired Ferial & her bosses to run and investigate Juju? I’ll tell you what it was and it had absolutely nothing to do with the spirit of journalistic intergrity or a quest to rid our country off corruption. Rather what inspired this sharade of an investigation is the pressure that the real OWNERS of “popular opinion” in south africa have been under since Malema refuses to be the good native who keeps quite about the real issues facing his people. This is exactly the reason why THEY killed Chriss Hani.

It pains me a lot to hear black people saying things like “pulling out the race card”. WTF?? Are u for real?? Wher do you live?? Any black person who says things like that refuses to think for themselves and instead listen in on white radio stations and News24 comments sections and then come here and regurgitate what they heard the “Master” say thinking it makes them sound more intelligent than the rest of us, whe4n all that their doing is exposing themsleves for the slaves that they are.

Lela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:42 pm 



If i wasnt sick n lying in bed at home because of eating too much at Sun City over the weekend id engage on this debate n whatever id say wouldnt be Christian anyway. All i will say then is im sick of this Feriel gal and the spineless avusa people. With that said i will always be #teamJuju #teamEric.
Lol @emgaging Eric at 7th,phuma ku Eric wena MisAnn.

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:45 pm 



I guess this diversion tactic worked like a charm because it seems like everyone has forgotten about the Ratanang Trust just like how everyone forgot about Julius’ involvement in companies that won tons of govt tenders in Limpopo back in ’09/’10. If I remember correctly that’s when he first pulled the race card by singing dubul’ ibhunu. Well done Juju. I don’t know what journos are gonna dig up next but you can be sure that a race card will be waved in everyone’s face.

Lustagp on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:46 pm 



Dont worry Miyeni New Age needs your kind of writting, brother!!!

Kabza…i couldn’t have said it better myself, black people love to laugh at themselves.

Naomi on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:52 pm 



Somewhere somehow I think somebody says people who are not for Malema are not thinkers? hehehehehhh

If Malema were green, purple or pink, with his same isht he still would have been a buffoon in my eyes!It has nothing to do with who said what on 702, or news24, Malema is a self serving idiot who clearly has many of you fooled. I mean, show me what good thing that’ll come from nationalisation of mines? Especially with abo Malema in the fore front waiting to benefit?

Facts are facts, he is not above to law and we all know that those generous donations go hand in hand le corruption, nothing more nothing less… I mean, if he’s as innocent as he says he is, owns no business ( he said it too),and makes a “normal”salary from the ANC, how can he afford all those things?? Come on, even my “moderately”educated like myself can figure this one, ha e batle le matric shem!!!

Le teng, it’s not about my people, or turning my back on my people or trying to be like whites or any of that nonsense, It’s about truth and intergrity!!Subjects Julius Malema CLEARLY knows nothing about!

Naomi on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 3:58 pm 



If Julius has nothing to hide, then he should speak! he should name all those people who make generous donations to his trust funds, then we’ll see how many of them are tenderpreneurs in Limpopo!!!

Lela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:00 pm 



Thing i knw if i were to be a politician id be one exactly like Juju cz i also suffer from verbal diarhea but behind it always lies truth that not many can fathom hence id never make it in hard news journalism or investigative cz id be A black version of Debra,in all that i refuse to be brainwashed n if that means im racist then il pray about it.

Kabza on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:07 pm 



@ Naomi.

Malaema has nobody fooled. If anyone has been fooled here it’s you. You’re missing the argument again, and yes dare i say it, you’re refusing to think for your self. Stop for one second and think about what Ferial said on Kayafm when she was being interviewed. And i quote: “I am more interested in ANC’s corruption than the DA’s”. Now if you don’t see a problem with this kind of thinking then i give up on you.

Why are you so concerned about how Malema can afford HIS lifestyle and what he can or can’t afford. What business is it ofg your’s? The guy doesn’t report to you or any of us…

miss_a on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:14 pm 



@Naomi, I agree with this —> “Somewhere somehow I think somebody says people who are not for Malema are not thinkers? hehehehehhh”

I give us 2 years before we’re no better off than Zimbabwe!

Naomi on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:24 pm 



Kabza… as the president of ancyl, which I’m a card carrying member of,it is my business to know if I’m being represented by a skelm or not. If he has done nothing wrong legally then kudos! Otherwise, why did he try to not get the story of the trust published? skeletons in his closet??? Besides, he’s all talk and no phukken action, what has he done for the benefit of the youth of south africa, he’s promised free education, e kae? dude is only looking out for number one, him going around singing and dancing, and PULLING THE RACE CARD BENEFITS ME IN NO WAY! The one thing I want to do right now is get a phukken diaper ke mo tswale molomo!

Corruption be it DA or ANC or AWB for that matter, corruption is corruption and it should be curbed. If Julius Malema was a DA member, I’d still want him exposed, this Ferial woman is only interested in corruption within the anc, fine whatever, I’m interested in corruption from all angles, anc, da, awb, azapo, pac you name it.

Refusing to think for myself? I have tried and tried and tried to see things from the Julius Malema point of view, these views are well thought out and for you to even say gore because I’m anti malema I’m not a thinker, you’re just as bad as the news24 readers of this world.

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:27 pm 



@miss_a that is just scary dude. Are you saying that soon we’ll be buying a loaf of bread for R100 000?

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:32 pm 



@Kabza…people like Naomi are free in a sense that they can vote, like once every five years, and for them that freedom is important I guess, The freedom to be able to choose national leadership!

What you and I are talking about Kabza is a different, and dare I say it a superior kind of freedom. This is the freedonm to make up your own mind about things, for most this freedom is scary, lots of us have only just begun to explore this freedom.

Making up your own mind about life/ politics / society is what Julius has, what I as a black female South african aspires to have!

Julius does not care to be liked by either the white liberals or the ANC old guard, Julius is a man who dances to his own tune.

For me that is freedom at its most sublime!

What many fail to realise is that there is no such shit as press altruism and philathrophy, media is owned, it has masters, and the master of the media is not the people, it is not you and I, So if I do not own the media, and I do not make its agenda, then I as Mysista I do not want to defend press freedom.

The ” publics right to know” is such a white liberal croc, when was the last time any of us saw the corpe of a dead white person splashed on the front page news???

Seriously when?

But the image of a dead black person is quite common, ask yourselves,

Why should that be so ?

why the difference?

If you think hard enough you will realise that the difference is RACE!!!

Mna I will have a bracelet made to put on my wrist, I work with like 95% white people, the bracelet will say WWJD

What Would Julius Do!!

This bracelet will help me deal with the virus that is white people!

mamamia on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:36 pm 



People don’t get it,
the real reason why people will not listen to the nationalisation of mines rhetoric is because they have you exactly where they want you. I’m referring to the imperialist, the capitalist and colonisers. Their wealth and legacy is seriously threatened by this kind of talk so in order to safeguard their interest. They will empower someone say like Julius Malema, allow him his grand speeches to only corrupt him in the end. Knowing fully well that at the end of the day, the black man will aspire to be like his oppressors. Drive the car, live in the posh suburb, basically achieve the BEE dream.

Meanwhile back at the ranch they are plotting his demise. Identifying weaknesses in his resolve and armour. Letting him believe for a while in his own hype and just when he seems to be getting somewhere with his rhetoric, they hit him hard where it hurts the most. Compromise his integrity, question his morality and shake his character. Therein will be the real test or a true leader.

The imperialist really want you to believe that mine nationalisation will not profit you, a south African because of corruption. Only a hand full of people like Malema will stand to benefit from these deals which is untrue. What they really want is to hide from you the full extent of the benefits should this ideal be achieved and passed in legislature because they know of the positive impact it might have on the nation. I’m talking the enrichments of lives especially the poor, the empowerment not to mention the REAL economic boost for SA. This endeavour would cost them a lot of money in the long run were it to be successful, limiting their generational wealth. So they apply stealth tactics and silent strategies to nullify and neutralise the threat which is Malema.

Malema is a lion, an imposing, roaring lion with the horizon of SA shining brightly in his eyes. Only problem with this lion is that it’s teeth have been pulled out or filed down until the fangs are no longer dangerous enough to do some real damage. They knows of the impact he can have on legislation, the influence he has over free thinkers is immense, anybody with eyes can see that. Problem is, his weakness has been identified by the enemy. His love for opulence and le good life will cost him and us dearly. To stay in the struggle, you must fight from the trenches. You must have battle scars to prove your intent. Nobody wanted to go to Robben Island for all these years so that we could have democracy but that’s the price they had to pay. There was no other way to prove their intentions except to lose their freedoms and liberties. Revolutions are fought and won from the frontlines of battle.

Judging by Juju’s lavish taste in the finer things in life, I observe that his enemies have him right where they want him. Remember this lion is not a threat to SA’s interest alone, he is a threat to the world’s elite who have been enriching themselves for generations on the blood, sweat and tears of our hard-back-breaking labour as Africans.

Eric Miyeni just helped their cause to defeat Malema, what can he do from the unemployment line. Cos the only weapon he has now is a handgun with no bullets. Mxm.
Think before you act!
Big Brother always has a pulse on the nations psyche.

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:44 pm 



@miss -a wena shem umuncu gqhitha little wonder your boss was shouting @ yoour ass,

Now run along go cry & hide in the toilet, thats clearly where you belong!

How dare you say South Africa will be like Zimbabwe in 2 years!

Do you even know why Zimbambwe is the way it is now!

Voetsek!!! stupidity gets on my nerves, you miss -a are just plain dumb!

You are saying the same untrue crap your white boss would say, usisibhanxa , kutsho mna!

mamamia on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:53 pm 



Funny thing is, Miyeni called Hafajee a snake slithering in the shadows on its belly. I’m paraphrasing here.
A snake is very aware of its disadvantages in terms of survival in the jungle, that’s why it is so cunning and deadly.
It only needs to strike once and you are a goner, no second chance. In order to defeat it you need to know its tactics and be just as cunning to outmanouvre it.

Eric alas should have studied that analogy of his before blundering his way through his heated opinion.

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 4:57 pm 



Lol @mysista

thabo4real on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 5:18 pm 



@mysista @marl i dont understand how you regard yourselves as independent and critical thinkers(with original insight on Myeni) when you are reproducing fanon and others from your old univesity textbooks.its very clear to me that your ‘independent and o.g’ but unidimentional line of thinking and worldview is informed and shaped by those. Very independent indeed?If its a fact that a black anti-apartheid politician is corrupt, then its a fact no matter how many people believe that reality. The issue here is corruptiön. Yes the wealth of the nation is in the hands of the minority who acquired it through graft, but should we adress the imbalance by not questioning our fellow blacks when they do the exact thing that we faught against? If we do that we risk creating a rich, corrupt and elite class of politicians who will develop dictactorial tendencies to stay in power. Ask zimboz and lybians.

Cherrie on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 5:40 pm 



Wow! What a heated debate!
@ Dexter……thank u,you have said everything I wanted to say.
@Noami….ditto

@ My Sista,u need help,u need to start opening ur eyes and realising that our politicians esp. Julius Malema are failing us dismally. They are getting rich,while more and more black people are relying on grants,living in terrible conditions.

I’m sure we all know that nationalising mines,won’t benefit the poor,the politicians and the families and friends are just gonna be living more lavishly.

Corruption needs to come to an end.

Cherrie on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 5:50 pm 



…..And I agree fully with you,Miss_a,South Africa is soon going to be like Zimbabwe,if things continue like this……
Corrupt leaders,endless strikes,more and more unemployment,racism,blacks refusing to help and empower each other,just to name a FEW.

mbulela on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 5:52 pm 



Mysista,is it too difficult to argue your juju princples without throwing your toys out of the pram by insulting those of us who do not share your ‘esteemed’ thought pattern as dumb and unthinking?
This blog will be our witness in the coming years and i pray that you are right and we are wrong.Just as you have prescribed,i hope when we blacks have stolen our way into the remaining 96% of the JSE,our country will be a beacon of peace,prosperity with equality amongst thieves of all races.May your dreams come true.
Dawn has just arrived.

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 6:48 pm 



Lol S.A is to be like Zim.Mxim yishit leyo.

Zim has its own problems. They are totally different to S.A. One of the main things that has hit Zim’s economy and made Mugabe to cling to power is tribalism. With Shonas and Ndebeles in Zim there is no trust between the two. Mugabe is Shona and Changarai is Ndebele. Shona are always 1st in line when it comes to state benefits.

In S.A we never allowed our diffences (tribes) to dictate who should govern us. Some people had the illusion that Xhosas wanted to lead this country coz Mandela and Mbeki are Xhosas. Yet the masses allowed a Zulu man to lead and there was no tribalism or civil war that took place. That’s one of the reasons our democracy is being complemented as best in Africa. U cannot compare S.A to Zim, Libya, Ivory Coast or any other African country that couldn’t avoing civil war.

The other reason why our democracy is seen as the “best” is that the ANC has kissed the white ass coz “their” gonna benefit on the gravy train.

It was a resolution of the ANC in the congress of the people in 1956 which drafted the Freedom Charter that resources and minerals of the country should be nationalized when we achieve freedom.

There are many resolution which are in the Freedom Charter which should have been implemented but never was.

The white man showed took Mandela and co. to countries that “failed” after the nationalisation of their resources.

Ask your self why did these countries struggled after the nationalisation.

Answer is the West pull out theier investments into these countries coz in the long run they are not gonna benefit.

Black people who see nationalisation as a failure make me wanna puke bile.

Nerlee on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 6:49 pm 



@Mysista uRude shame jealous down —->Tjo

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 6:55 pm 



Whr is my post?

DexterSUPERIOR on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 7:17 pm 



Kwaaaahaaa @facebook. It was fate. Do not repost.

@mysista and her straat maid tendencies. Talk about chronic verbal diarrhea

Kabza on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 7:26 pm 



Its very difficult to discuss such emotive issues as the racial profilling of the black elite by the media with people who insist on reducing the topic to a simple case of corruption. Some of us preffer to be thorough before opinionating on such. All I & mysista are saying is, please do the same. Its not that difficult. Terms like “Pulling The race card” originate from the arch rascists on news24 comments, and I have no respect for any black person who comes to me with that. It doesn’t make u sound sophisticated guys. Quite the opposite. It makes u sound like a well trained house nigger.

kzn_girl on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 7:41 pm 



Out of silentville to say- we all are entitled to our thoughts. I respect your thoughts but there is nothing I hate njengomuntu who refers to Zim as though it is our / all black people’s failure. When you talk about Zim dnt mention it as though all black people had a hand in their downfall.

Now on the issue at hand. We need to come to terms with the fact that we are nowhere near total liberation. I say this because we can’t handle facts n we still possess the yes baas mentality.

So we are now to blame for all the corruption n corruption only started after the Anc took over? City press was here for years n now that we have the likes of Debra and fraud buster Helen, the black man is corrupt.
I refuse to be brainwashed.

Kabza on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 7:50 pm 



Thank you kzn_girl. The yes baas mentality says everything that comes out of the mouth of die baas is right. That’s what I’ve been saying. People need to use their own brains & stop depending on baas to formulate opinions for them that affect how the world views us as a people.

mysista on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 7:55 pm 



dexterInferior yes I have verbal what-not kodwa wena you have thinking-constipation, shem akuvumi ukuthi ucabange udinga I spyt sengqondo. About me being a straat- maid,why thank you. I am taking that as a compliment,I can survive & thrive in the street & in the boardroom, Iam versatile like that!

Kabza on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 8:50 pm 



@Mysista, if challenging the order of things as they stand makes u a strat maid, then wear the badge with pride. What gets me mad is that now we seemingly have black faces pushing the white man’s agenda and not even realising that it doesn’t come from them. Steve Biko said it best. The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the MIND of the oppressed. I cannot believe how right he was. This white owned media now owns our people’s brain & they don’t even know it. They’re even using the terms & language of the oppressor. “Pullinng the race card”? Wow. Are u seriously gonna use that to argue against your own benefit? You kids need help.

B.MAG on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:38 pm 



When you see the succes of a black person first thing that come out of your mind is corruption which will result in Zimbabwe crisis coz we blacks are incapable of running the country. shame on you

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 9:52 pm 



This “S.A is gona be like Zim” mentality is wrong. Zim’s problem were created by whites who pulled out their investments bcz they didn’t like Zim’s policies.

The failure of nationalisation on most countries is bcz the West pulled out.

S.A is a darling of the West bcz we are still going we their terms.

Why can’t they impart the skills of producing the final product (ring, bracelet etc) here if the West really cared abt Africa’s development? These people are exploiting us and some bloggers are so blind to see that.

In case u didn’t know this: Nationalisation of S.A resources and minerals is an ANC resolution adorpted in the Freedom Charter in 1956 at the congress of the people.

sbozh on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:41 pm 



Who said healing our country will be easy, we should applaud these robust engagements. Freedom of expression, freedom of speech are valuable tools toward engagement moving forward. Eric in my take is not necessarily supporting Juju, he’s raising a question that seeks the balance in investigative journalism. As he puts it he also wanted to make her feel how it’s like to be attacked & now he’s earned himself a court appearance for that.

He says >> “DA receives money largely from white busines” >> “The Haffajees of this racist world are not digging up any dirt on DA officials. Instead, they sickeningly presume that white fortune is legitimately earned until proven otherwise and that it’s the opposite for black success”.

Interestingly to me neither Eric nor Fariel is entirely wrong, but is it really possible that whites/indian politicians are completely & legitimately honest – in which case then we’ll never be like Zim. Any gorvenment receives bad press worlwide, the problem in this case is that corruption is aggressively being given an African face.

facebook on Tue, 2nd Aug 2011 10:46 pm 



P.S. Malema didn’t just wake up and scratched his balls while taking a pee and thought, “WTF lemme nationalize the mines”.

That boy knows ANC and its policy inside-outside. Why do u thing the elders can’t gag him?

thabo4real on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 6:39 am 



@ facebook stop misleading us Tsvangirai is also Shona just like Mugabe. Do not distort facts . Who told you there are only two tribes in zimbabwe? I know there are tongas in binga, shanganis in chipinge, vendas in gwanda, suthus in beitbridge and kalangas in plumtree? People like you are very dengerous. Where did you read that? Get your facts right before coming to engage us, if you continue like this you will make a fool of yourself in public.

facebook on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 7:18 am 



@Thabo4real lol thanx for the correction. I thought that comment never went through hence I asked “whr is my post?”.

I thought I’ve omitted/edited that part of Mugabe and Tshangarai.

I think if ubufunda comprehensively and not selectively u’ll see frm my subsequent posts my main point in all the these posts – it is the policy of the ANC,but not govmnt, to nationalize mines

Don’t shoot people down bcz of one error of judgement.

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 8:33 am 



As a country we need to decide whether, we want to legalize corruption or not. The question here is not about Malema, it is about a guy who lives way beyond, his officially declared income, that guy so happens to be Malema. It is a known fact that “rich” people are also the biggest tax frauds, you just have to remember the Smith incident to get an idea of how low these guys are prepared to stoop just so that they can get a lower tax bill.

Going back to the subject matter, the fact that “City Press” is alleged to be representing a “white agenda” does not then mean, that Malema, should not declare where he gets his money from, given that he is alleged to be running around with millions in cash one is tempted to assume that, this money is not from declared sources of income.

At the end of the day we live in a country where 80% of the population is black, at any random sample of corrupt individuals you’re are bound to 8 blacks maybe 1 indian and a white person, this does not mean that whites are not investigated, it merely reflects the demographics of the country.

Not so long ago, there was this Saga about a white corrupt Estate Agent what’s her name again? Wendy Mechanik clearly whites also have to explain how they got their wealth, I suppose the difference between blacks and whites is that when whites are caught, they don’t have the luxury of using the race card to justify their evil behavior….Lord have mercy when they also start using it, because they can pretty invoke it now, in a country like South Africa, which is sinking deeper and deeper into racial segregation. We should let go of our victim mindset, and be accountable for our actions…..The point of the matter is, as South Africans we all have to account for our Income and Malema is not an exception, this is creating wrong precedence quite frankly

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 8:48 am 



I could not agree with you more Estee!

Nobody is pushing the white man’s agenda! We’ve seen from apartheid that the country that this colour/race isht does not work. The people who have issues with the white man, seriously, go address them with those specific white people that you have beef with, with Julius says things like kill the boer, or white people must all go, he’s not saying those things for your own benefit, he’s pushing he’s doing it with himself and only himself in white, if you want to join him up there and get a wwjd bracelet, seriously go right on and do it!

I push no agenda nna, if there’s any agenda I’d consider pushing, it would be the N.A.O.M.I agenda, the world absolutely has no place for people who think like some people here. Just because the white people in your world are bullying you, and YOU’RE allowing them to get away with it, ‘don’t come her and call us non thinkers.

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 8:50 am 



excuse the typos,

and I means, he’s pushing his own agenda, with himself only in mind!!

Viva investigating EVERYBODY viiivvvaaaa!!!!! ROTF!!!!!!

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:02 am 



It makes me feel sad when i witness black kids seeing Malema as their enemy..
it makes me feel sad that a black man will read newsapapers and then utter rubbish like we are goign to be Zimbambwe in 2 yrs time.
I know half of black popel will nevr forgive Malema for oustuing Mbeki before time, bu i have and Malema is finally realising his mistake so why you balck person dont forgive the boy. Millions went to vote for Cope simply becaus ethey hated Malema’s utterances, so now that Cope is dead dont you think it’s time to go back home and support your kind.

I feel sad when a balck person shows her jealousy and spit on natoinal blogs about our hard earned wealthy, i am a BEE beneficairy, and i wake up every mornig hustling like everyone else, YES, today i apply that tender form with hope of winning any tender because of my HDI status…..dont be clouded by lies that i get tender because i have connections, NO I dont, i put on a fair price when i bid….i started my business from stratch with 3 yrs of non-profit, now when you see me in my BMWX6 you cry foul play, grow up black people!11 i wake up like you and sometimes i dont even go bakc home sitting in my office with my tender team to make the best proposal any board cant overlook!!!!!!!!! damn mysista i respect you and yopur views vha!

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:03 am 



We let him go now, next thing we see is a helicopter parked on the roof his Mansion, then a runway for a private jet LOL, there wouldn’t be any grounds for investing him then, if you don’t see the need to do it! I mean really now all this belonging to a guy who has a 9-5 job at Luthuli House, please!!!

That Bunker is his alleged R16m house is probably where he is going to hide “trillions of our currency” and have his personal limitless ATM down there

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:09 am 



go on read your misleading fucken newspapers about blakc people, if you really are passionate about teh wellbeing of this country go and join the ANCYL and be vocal like you are here, as they say ‘if you cant beat tehm join them’, so please dont puke shit you dont know about and think you too intelligent after that. if you really do know about what is on the newspapaers do you go and attend any youth meeting in your community and bring your views, or you just a toothless lion who thinks JC is a struggle camp!!!

And keep this in your lazy ass mind, NO VOTE will take you out of the gutter, work hard- plan, dont misuse your money and then think your vote will buy you a house, and a cushy life, hard work is the ONLY medicine to cure that….

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:10 am 



Lusta if you’re making your money in a fair way, that is known to SARS, then we’re happy for you…….let me say this again noone said all black are corrupt, what I want is for those that are suspected to be corrupt to clear their names, especially if there is a valid grounds for such suspicions like in this case

mysista on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:12 am 



@Lusta, the feeling is mutual, I respect your views aswell

Vesa on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:12 am 



@miss -a wena shem umuncu gqhitha little wonder your boss was shouting @ yoour ass

kwaaa @ mysista…..funny how I also thought of that when I read her comments!!

People have been saying that SA will be like Zim for the past 5 years, and that doesn’t seem to happen. Give-it up people, it will never happen! I believe too much in my country to start believing that crap!

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:17 am 



EsteeIVWP,,,,,Unfortunately most balck poeple dont think like you, the minute the BEE name is out, they shout corruption- Currently my company is busy fixing roads nearby an informal settlement , do you know the hatred stares we get from those people all becaus eof filth they read on daily suns, city press..thye get brainwashed that any balck man in a posh car is corrupt whilst they are sitting on the sun during a normal working week!! Black people i repeat no one is going to take you out of poverty except you hard work!!!!!!!!!

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:17 am 



Lusta,that’s another misconception, not every black person has to join the Youth League to be in a position to distinguish wrong from right……….

When something looks suspicious, it looks suspicious and it is up to the suspect to clear the air….

The allegations we laid bare, in fact it wasn’t anything new that people from Limpopo didn’t know…

It is not up to Malema, like any other suspect to provide evidence to the contrary of what we were “fed” by the “counter-revolutionary” City Press, I swear, if he can produce just one piece of evidence that City Press is lying, we’d all know that South African media is Anti-Malema, surely he’ll make use of this opportunity (If he is clean)

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:19 am 



*make sense out of that*, couple of typos

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:20 am 



Estee…i am not saying that you should , my point is ANC and the ANCYL are the ones in power now, the ones who can change bad situation so if you really-really passionate about our people’s poverty join the winning club and bring the change you think they are not bringing!!!!!!!!

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:23 am 



LustaGP, if men like Albert Luthuli and Nelson Mandela shared your view, one would have expected them to join the National Party, which you argue, would have enabled them “bring change from within”

Pule on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:45 am 



Late to this party.
LustaGP, your argument is all over the place.
You talk about hard work.What has hard work got to do with an ANCYL leader who is living well above his means?He earns 25000 rands a month and pays for purchase with 2m rands cash.builds a house worth millions and all that.He is a the youth leader of the ruling party and has entrusted himself with the responsibility of charting the shape of political discourse in our country.He is not your average joe in the township who has suddenly hit money and City press are interested in knowing how he made.Whether he is black,white indian or coloured is a secondary matter.
The issues of JZ’s finances are not being raised because he is a polygamist.They are in the public arena because he is a leader of the ruling party.Complaining about whites also being corrupt is akin to legitimizing corruption.
We don’t have to join the ANC (assuming we are not already members) to be able to voice our concern that our leaders are ripping us apart,leaving us poorer and wrecking our collective heritage.What makes it worse is the fact that they are our own brothers.
Asking us to blame counter revolutionary forces for the corruption of our leaders is stupid and completely idiotic.

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:45 am 



SO Estee you saying ANC and ite power are more and teh same as a Natinal Party who denied you a vote, your father had to carry dompas to be on town? AND tyo reply to you if NP was a party which repsected a black man then and knew of their problems yes luthuli and Mandela should ahve joined them..dont you dare compare the ANC with NP, i would expect tht kind of question from someone who knows nothing about our history so Estee dont you dare comapre oranges with lemons please!

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:52 am 



Pule if my commentsbis over teh palce let it be, i ahte people who debate with th analsyis kinds of mentality, dont you dare dabte with me in that tone ever as i respect your view and will nver say your comments are what – what , fo us to continue take that menatlity out then we can go on!!!!!!!!

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 9:59 am 



No LustaGP, you seem to miss the point, ideally people should join political parties because they believe in what they stand for i.e. the encompassing vision that they have for the Republic, and to be diplomatic, I’ll say I don’t share the vision that the ANCYL has for the S.A. and leave it at that.

The only difference between the ANC and National Party is the pigmentation of the leadership.

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 10:14 am 



wish you get my typos, i am at work trying to type fast people!!

wow Estee i feel so insulted so much that i wont reply to you anymore: this is sad-sad-sad statement…….

The only difference between the ANC and National Party is the pigmentation of the leadership.

DrDee on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 10:30 am 



@lusta,I totally agree with you,black man the only way to make it is back breaking hard work,otherwise you die poor.But please answer if you can?Should we nationalise?If yes then there is no way of avoiding Zim,Haiti,West African situations becoz FDI will dry up.If no then can we ever be truly free owning less than 10% of our own country.

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 10:35 am 



It is indeed said that in the new South African, citizens still find themselves being put into racial boxes that were in fact a creation of the National Party…

If this country seeks to empower the people, it should start categorizing people by their economic status as opposed to the pigment of their skins i.e. the “rich and the poor”, where all rich people regardless of their skin colour are classified as advantaged

…..why should 2 men with a Billion Dollar bank account in the same country share different classifications, this can be viewed as an admission that blacks are not good with their money thus a black billionaire is more likely to lose his wealth than a white one, what sort of science informs this stance

….this is based on a fallacy that if you give more and more to a black person, he’ll eventually start sharing with his fellow men, which as we have seen, is a bit further from the truth that what powers that be in the ANC had envisaged…We live in a generation of self, regardless of who you pump the money to, the poor will always be on the losing end, the NP gave it to whites, the ANC is giving it to few elite blacks, but the man on the street is not better off, this whole thing of Vuka uzenzele is another misconception, at the end of the day, we can’t have a country where everyone is a tenderpreneur, where are opportunities, where is the enabling environment for those that want to do other things to thrive

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 10:50 am 



only a South African with amnesia will think ANC and NP differences are only about pigmenattion.
who is thi sfew elite i sbenifiting in the ANC governemnt/ do you perhaps know of any onewho tried to ebnifit and was kicked out simply because he/she ainot no elite or you using the media terms as well? Please dont you dare insult my intelligence Estee…..race will nver ever go away forget about that, only if you can ask God to bring the Noah saga then you can talk about human race only.

Estee IV WP on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 10:55 am 



LOL, I know a couple of highly capable guys, that were denied entry into the gravy train, because they didn’t meet the ” minimum entry requirements”.

Going back to the topic, Malema must be investigated

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 11:41 am 



Yeah right? care to give me the requirements to give out to family members in order to be in the gravy train?

Malema will be investigated and he will come out free, you watch as he didnt kill anyone to be where he is..

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 12:01 pm 



Lustagp said…

I feel sad when a balck person shows her jealousy and spit on natoinal blogs about our hard earned wealthy, i am a BEE beneficairy, and i wake up every mornig hustling like everyone else, YES, today i apply that tender form with hope of winning any tender because of my HDI status…..dont be clouded by lies that i get tender because i have connections, NO I dont, i put on a fair price when i bid….i started my business from stratch with 3 yrs of non-profit, now when you see me in my BMWX6 you cry foul play, grow up black people!11 i wake up like you and sometimes i dont even go bakc home sitting in my office with my tender team to make the best proposal any board cant overlook!!!!!!!!! damn mysista i respect you and yopur views vha!

Lustagp, you’re one of few, and I respect you for that!big ups to you!! You really do sound like somebody who has nothing to hide, and for that reason, I’ll request that you not be investigated! I admire the fact that you’re driven and are working on making yourself a success, now that that’s out the way… the president of the ancyl also has many sleepless nights but not doing what you’re doing. We don’t know how much the ancyl pays him, and if he, like you has absolutely nothing to hide let him come out and tell us how he’s making his money. Sweat and blood? maybe doing other things.I’m disgusted by people who assume le nna, I mean, people assume so many things ka rona as black people and I hate it too, but I still say, let the juju be investigated!! People especially people of other races, make so many assumptions about us, It rubs me the wrong way, but come on, even you must admit gore SHAWN MPISANE’s CLEANING, MAINTANANCE and TRANSPORT CC got the tender to build RDP houses because they know a certain Bheki wa ko KZN!!

facebook on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 12:43 pm 



I support the call of ANCYL that the mines and financial institutuions should be nationalized. Here are my reasons why:

Black people have been digging that gold for the past 200 years and yet they have nothing to show for it. The only beneficiaries are the white people. Our fathers have contracted and subsequently died of TBs and some funny deseases in these mine but the dont own even 10% of them.

With nationalisation of mines the money can be invested back to the country via, to name but a few:

A. free basic and tertiary education.
b. free access to standard health care
c. improvement in the country’s infrastructure
d. proper housing and sanitation

with the current budget for these neccessities the money is too little.

facebook on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 12:45 pm 



P.S. a big chunk of wealth of this country is going to the hand of the few (96%).

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 12:55 pm 



@facebook, nationalisation looks good on paper but I think everyone’s issue with it is that will all those things on your list be done or will the money continue to disappear like how it is right now. Just look at everything run by the government at the moment. They are all in a mess. Your list has been promised to us since ’94. Are you saying that our resourses not being nationalised is the reason those things haven’t been achieved?

facebook on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:06 pm 



wat im saying is with nationalisation of our resources alot will be fast-tarcked to improved our standard of living.
more money will be available in order to deliver these services.

BlindFold on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:08 pm 



Nationalisation could really work if the leadership is beefed up, i mean our government has parastatals (sp)ie Eskom, Transnert and so forth and they are being managed in a right and productive way.

They (the government) should nationalise and leave everything to the qualified. This might improve the leaving conditions of our people, maara batho ba rona should get up and not expect to be handed everything by government. In Tsepo Tshola’s husky voice “o phuthile maatsoho o shebile banna ha basebetsa, tsoha”.

BlindFold on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:11 pm 



The state of our public hospitals is terrible, the very same people that vote for the rulling party are the very same people who are admitted in those hospitals because they can’t afford a medical aid, i wish our government could do something. That is all i wanted to say

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:20 pm 



i wonder if Dexter had seen these books he is talking about? or he is just mimicking the media.

Blindfold…nationalisation will definetly ease the gap aand the ‘proposed” medical aid for our people will aslo one of teh issues benefitting with no dsmal failure….

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:29 pm 



How is Eskom managed in a right and productive way? By constant power cuts or by maladministration? The SABC is in a mess, our health system, I could go on. I’d like for nationalisation to be approved so that they can prove me wrong because right now I don’t see anything improving.

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:31 pm 



not books papers, tell me Dexter ..what is on paper ye Natianlisation proposal?

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:33 pm 



@Lustagp, Books, what books?

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:46 pm 



Hey bloggers, still at it.

Funny how people are so afraid of becoming like Zim!!!
Do we even know the history behind why Zimbabwe is in the state that its in or do you just read the newspaper headlines and believe everything they tell you.

You should then hear what foreigners really think about South Africa as a contry…you will be shocked!!

South Africans themselves are very intolerant, judgemental and unforgiving. Trust me, Zim is not the worst place to be in. In actual fact, zimbabweans are well educated, good natured, enduring, and an enterprising folk, much like the rest of our african brothers and sisters.

The problem in Zimbabwe is not the people but its leadership, very much the same as us here at home.

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:49 pm 



Ok. I was using a figure of speech called a metaphor. “On paper” being a metaphor for what everyone in here is saying about nationalisation, things that Julius Malema has lamented and from watching Eric Miyeni’s doccie last night. I saw it fitting to say “on paper” seeing that the subject is still in ‘talks’ phase. If you’re referring to official documents, then no, I haven’t read any. Even if I have read them, they’d still be just that. “ON PAPER”.

BlindFold on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:49 pm 



@Dexter, has it ever occured to you that the power cuts are not only occuring because of Eskom, but because of the people stealing the cables??

facebook on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 1:53 pm 



People let’s not forget that the most beneficiaries frm S.A’s economy account to only 18% of the 50million South Africans.

This 18% controls 96% of S.A’s wealth.

Where is fairness in that?

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:05 pm 



‘…power cuts are not only occuring because of Eskom…’ operative words being NOT ONLY, meaning that you share the same sentiment that Eskom IS responsible for power cuts. People stealing cables has got nothing to do with Eskom awarding unmerited bonuses to the big bosses instead of working on ways to build more power stations seeing that more people need electricity.

mysista on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:08 pm 



@DexterInferior, clearly you are extremely unhappy about the state the country is in, you are unhappy about, Telkom, Eskom,The health sector…You Dexter are very sad to be in South Africa @ this point in our collective history!

I have a suggestion for you, now listen this might actually work!

Please leave!
Fuck off !
Go to Norway, plenty white people there & endless opportunities fow kowtowing to white masters!

BTW, my offer still stands , I’ll help you pack, like for real!

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:11 pm 



so all in all Dexter you are against something you havent even seen, only using hearsay as referalls to your stench opinion?

PS: Eskom has load shedding not becuasE of Black-Executives blunders, load shedding is power sharing if you must know….Dex…so please dont hate anythign balck just for teh sake of it, i know i always preach ‘self-opinion’ in debates, but when it comes to politics most of people liek you Dex are only having negative opinions simply becuase you choose to listen to one side of teh story in this case ‘Media”

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:12 pm 



Here is a little history lesson:
I will post in bits and pieces so not to overwhelm you.

In 1867 a pretty pebble found near the Orange River, in the wilds of South Africa, was identified as a 21-carat diamond.
To cut the story short, there was a diamond rush, and one of the biggest sources of these precious stones was Kimberley. The workforce in this emerging mining industry comprised of 2500 miners and 10,000 hired labourers.

New investment poured in, in 1880. Cecil Rhodes and seven partners owned a block of 90 claims in the De Beers Mining Company Ltd, named for its land holdings on the old De Beers ranch.
Rhodes was a successful politician, and he helped to draft laws that protected the mining companies. Taxation on mining profits was kept very low. The Diamond Trade Act was aimed at diamond stealing and smuggling, but it also set two very dangerous social precedents.

First, anyone found with an uncut diamond was required to explain how it came into his possession, that is, guilt was assumed while innocence had to be proved. This is a European concept, but is not usually found in English or American law.

Second, the Diamond Trade Act allowed the companies to set up “searching-houses” in a system of routine surveillance, searching, and stripping by company police. This curtailment of private rights and personal liberty became a fact of South African society.
The companies were forced by strikes to be more lenient to their white workers than to blacks. The logical extension of this policy was to set up segregated, controlled, fenced-off compounds to house Africans for the length of their work contracts with the company: the first apartheid.

BlindFold on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:16 pm 



@Dexter, Eskom has shareholders and those shareholders want money from the profits made, the coal mines that produce electricity is still owned by the elite whites and providing incentives to public servants.

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:16 pm 



The people making noise about nationalisation, they want to nationalise the mines into their own pockets!!

I mean, yes most parastatals are in a mess right now, but come one, it’s only been 17 years of the new south africa, of course we’re bound to come across challenges, the gov can’t get evetything right in one go,they learn as they go, but them wanting to nationalise it should be done for the right reasons. Economists are saying it will not work, using results on nationalisation in other countries,and also based on our current state of affairs, a guy who failed woodwork, and recently registested for a BA degree says we should nationalise so that we can take the wealth away from the whites, and give it to who exactly?? you and the people who make regular donations to the ratanang fund??

BlindFold on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:19 pm 



@Naomi, it is not always about how many degrees one has to make sense and be on point. I also hope that it is/will be for the right reasons..

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:20 pm 



I must try bullet points…long but worth the read trust me.

So they go on to explain how African contract workers searched after a day’s work were found to have stolen 100,000 carats a year (8% of total), so De Beers was literally bleeding losses.

I wonder what our ancestors did with those diamonds.

After a classic financial struggle played out on the stock market, the major diamond mines were unified under single management, De Beers Consolidated Mines Limited, founded in Kimberley in 1888. The Barnato family, Cecil Rhodes, and the London banking family of the Rothschilds had major holdings. Look no black family names!! I wonder why!!

By the end of 1889, De Beers held a virtual monopoly not only on the Kimberley diamond trade, but on the world diamond trade. Do you see the link now, they own the world trade….

It took De Beers, prodded by Lord Rothschild, a few years to organize the details of “The System” for diamond marketing. De Beers diamonds were sold at something like 10¬15% less than open-market price through a small syndicate of diamond brokers, who were also large shareholders in De Beers. De Beers and the syndicate had enough resources to allow surplus diamonds to be held in reserve until times of high demand. Over the next 50 years, De Beers sold diamonds worth at least twice its operating costs, and was always able to raise the funds required to control the diamond market by buying up competing mines or surplus diamonds.

This guy was smart. Eliminating competition like that, hmmm

It goes on to explain how diamonds were discovered on the coast of Namibia, then invaded by Germans wanting to capitalise on this wealth. De Beers obviously muscled their way in and had an agreement with the Germans.

So in July 1914, the German and South African Governments, the South African diamond companies, the German selling agency, and members of the syndicate signed an agreement to divide up diamond production. Look still no blacks. We were being robbed in our own land. What’s new!!!

Monei on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:21 pm 



@facebook, those intentions are awesome on paper. Our country’s leadership (at large) has top-notch plans backing top-notch ideals. However implementation is what screws us up. Good leadership would really help implementation.

The misappropriation of resources largely due to corruption is what hurts us.Non-execution of mandates also hurts us,eg underspending in important depts like health,education- then playing catch up so they dnt cut nxt yr’s budget. I feel its because accountability lacks in various leadership levels in government. If the top doesn’t seem to take a strong standing against poor leadership (characteristics), who in less public/lower levels of gov is going to do what the big bosses don’t do?I know this is off the actual topic (many of us have veered deeper into the issue).

But along with the race card thing vs blacks being victims,etc. So say the whites are after us? why do we give them ammunition against us? Why can’t dear Juju just shut them up legitimitely and we can move on building our country.Why does the ANC have a kind of PR that makes some blacks feel they are just like the NP?

Disclaimer to those to question the thinking abilities of those who don’t agree with them: I am a believer of not believing everything you read or hear. My trust is very hard to earn when it comes to media and politics. But i do enjoy the questions and theories it raises, which leave me with alot to think about.

P.S> Is it possible to discuss such without ppl insulting others or others’ thoughts or emotions too high when it comes to our nation’s future? I respect all those who have diplomatically or non-rudely stated their points and disagreements (the opposite is like trying to debate with someone shouting or fighting with a crying person- i.e. useless). that’s how you will win ppl over.

A

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:22 pm 



@mysista, we’re trying to debate this issue in the most civil manner possible. It wouldn’t hurt you to do the same. I understand you’re a passionate being but you must pull yourself together. You don’t have to be vulgar in order to put your point across. You get so hot and bothered that you stop making any sense. I really wanna understand what you just said so that I can reply. So could you please rephrase your comment

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:30 pm 



whew, interesting neh…wait it really gets interesting wait to you see this.

I hope i’m not doing this for mahala.
It goes on to say how WWI affected di trade agreements and how SA leaders saw an opportunity to seize the German diamond fields for SA, white SA not black SA remember the difference.

They were able to have the territory remain under South African “protection” after the war. Di clever, look how they manipulate even the Germans.

In 1919 the South African Government arranged a new producers’ agreement, and a consortium including Ernest Oppenheimer took over the fields in Namibia. By 1926 Oppenheimer and his company –>Anglo American (now you know) felt strong enough for a showdown with De Beers, and after negotiations each company took a large shareholding in the other, with Oppenheimer essentially running both.

I like how they negotiate, nobody looses, they manage to put aside differences and each stake a claim. Thats why apartheid was so successful for so long. The divide and conquer rule was very efficient.

eish sorry maan, back to the lesson.

De Beers made a profit again in 1934. Really you don’t say!! By a chain of interlocking directorships and joint stock holdings, De Beers was once again the dominant diamond producing company: it held 38% of the stock of Anglo American, and Anglo American held 34% of De Beers. Meanwhile, the Diamond Corporation began to make a profit by the middle 1930s, and dominated diamond buying. By 1939, 97% of the world’s diamond trade passed through the Diamond Corporation.

Enough about De beers now.

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:36 pm 



@Lustagp, I’m not against it. Have never said that. I have reservations and I explained why I have those reservations. I even went on to say I hope nationalisation becomes a reality so that i’m proven wrong. Let’s cut the selective reading. It’ll save us from repeating ourselves.

With regards to Eskom, I never said anything about Black executives. I raised the maladministration issue because it affects us as consumers. We’re asked to pay more for energy while they get bonuses. That’s not fair.

I know what load shedding is. Every South African knows. It’s not rocket science. Maybe some of the bonus money could go towards building much needed power stations.

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:37 pm 



Anglo American Today
The diamond empire of De Beers is now one of about 600 companies associated with “South Africa Inc.” (officially called The Anglo American Corporation of South Africa, 44 Main Street, Johannesburg).

Anglo American controls South African gold mines as well as diamond mines, and almost half the capitalization of the Johannesburg Stock Exchange represents companies owned or controlled by Anglo American.

Anglo American and De Beers are still controlled by the Oppenheimer family, whose patriarch is Sir Harry Oppenheimer.

When Harry Oppenheimer inherited control in 1957, Anglo American was the world’s largest gold producer and produced 15% of the world’s copper. JEEZ!!

It produced half of South Africa’s coal. HALF OF THE COAL!
De Beers controlled 80% of global diamond sales, and still does. WOW!! That’s a LOT!

Harry Oppenheimer has retired as chairman, but his son Nicholas is Deputy Chairman of De Beers AND of Anglo American, and is clearly being groomed to take over.
The white generational legacy. Do you now see how this works.

South Africa now produces only 15% of the world’s diamonds, not enough on its own to provide much leverage over world markets.
The richest diamond mines in southern Africa are new fields in Botswana.
De Beers holds 50% of these through its subsidiary Debswana (De Beers Botswana Mining Company), and all the diamond production is marketed through the System. Debswana’s production is larger than that of all the South African mines put together.

mysista on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:39 pm 



@DexterInferior

1.Who precisely is this “we” you refer to!
2. So now today you decide to be “civil” whatever that means?
3.Did you not say just yesterday say that I was & I quote “a straatmaid with verbal diarrhea?
4.Why the sudden change of heart oh Inferiour one, what inspires your about turn?
5. Why do you suddenly want to be “civil”
6. I ain’nt rephrasing nothing!
7. Wena , you leave my flawed South Africa, hamba Dexter, your kind is not needed here, Hamba!

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:44 pm 



I like how they negotiate, nobody looses, they manage to put aside differences and each stake a claim. Thats why apartheid was so successful for so long. The divide and conquer rule was very efficient.

I like it too @mamamia and thanks for the info

@Blindfold, I’m sorry but I’d rather go to a qualified doctor for medical help, a financial guru for financial advice, a sangoma for traditional consultation… see where I’m going with this? so I still maintain, I’d rather take the word of an economist over that of a ???? tjo I have no more words to describe him.

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:48 pm 



Let me skip to the interesting part.

It goes on to be a bit confusing saying how De beers still controls 80% but no longer controls the market blah blah. Did you know that by slowing productions, De Beers could leave unwanted diamonds in the ground (like putting your money under your mattress) as long as they controlled the market they could do that until they needed those unmined diamonds.

Today producers (Australia, Botswana, Russia, De Beers, and the Congo) are most unlikely (probably unable) to sacrifice their cash flow from diamond mining, and it is up to De Beers, from its own resources, to do what it can to stabilize diamond prices rather than hold them artificially high.

In 1990, De Beers moved its international headquarters to Switzerland and Luxembourg. The new companies control all of De Beers business outside South Africa. REMBER THIS!

This move occurred almost simultaneously with the release of Nelson Mandela (O_0 coincidence – that’s a story for another day) and the renewed negotiations for greater political power for black South Africans. It is difficult to believe that these two events were independent. THIS STATEMENT IS NOT ME.

(So they give us power and leave us with nothing. They took everything to Luxemwhatnot. Mxm)

De Beers argued that 80% of its earnings (over $4 billion in 1989) were generated overseas, through its diamond sales in London, but that had been true for many years. De Beers was almost certainly restructured so that most of its profits involved money flow that did not pass through South Africa. SO THERE’S NO WAY THAT SA BENEFITED EVEN IF THE DIAMONDS WERE MINED HERE RIGHT?

Within a few months of De Beers’ move to Switzerland, it had concluded an agreement with Russia to sell that country’s rough diamonds on an exclusive 5-year contract, thus maintaining an almost total control over all the global production of diamonds. De Beers paid $1 billion as a cash advance. THESE GUYS ARE VULTURES!!

Monei on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:49 pm 



Hawu Mysista, o ska koba bana ba bangwe. It’s their home country too. The African diaspora was the white man’s deed, let’s not perpetuate it tu.

Interesting history Mamamia. I learnt something new.

mysista on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 2:58 pm 



@Monei hayi wena seriously dexter must leave he must go to this utopia he dreams about where

1. The media is in charge of the judiciary
2. Where everything including all natural resources are privately owned.
3.Where every one knows precisely where& how everyone else got their wealth.
4. Dexter seriously makahambe!

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:01 pm 



Dex….the tone of your comments suggest otherwise, hence i say you against it, i was not selective at all.

Naomi…”assumptions are mother of all fuckups in the world”, so you assume people who are not against nationalisation are just supporting it to benefit,,grow up please..

THhis woodwork comments is boring,,,the fact is Juju is politically intelligent, just check evry artciel with him it gets high numbers of comments simply becaus ehe is a force to be reckoned with, so woodwork was never ever part of his ambtion no wonder he faile dit dismally…

tjo mamamia lazt to read tht for now…

DexterSUPERIOR on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:03 pm 



Wow very insightful mamamia.

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:07 pm 



Eish guys ke lapile, but i will fight on!!

Threats to De Beers

One of the problem areas for De Beers is Angola. Why because Angola was a client of Soviet Union, propped up militarily by Cuban mercenaries, and financially by oil leases offshore. WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
The interior, however,
was largely under the control of rebels, supported logistically by the USA and South Africa, and occasionally bolstered by clandestine South African military action. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Angola dropped into even more chaos than usual, just as a rich diamond field was discovered in a remote area in the north. The area was rushed by tens of thousands of illegal miners, and smuggled diamonds began to turn up on world markets. There is still a tremendous leakage of smuggled diamonds from Angola, though De Beers’ diamond buyers are heavily involved in buying up cheap Angolan stones too. CORRUPTION ANYONE.. SINCE WE ARE CRUCIFYING BO JULIUS.
In 2000, the Congo looks as if it was breaking apart: rebel armies now control the diamond fields, and the supply of Congolese diamonds seems likely to drop into equal chaos. No-one can predict how that will play out, but it is noteworthy that Angolans are among the myriad mercenaries and freelance soldiers of fortune swarming into the country.
Countries such as Rwanda and Uganda have begun exporting diamonds, even though they have no diamond mines: this may be due to the fact that both countries have soldiers deep inside the Congo, “assisting” the rebels. WHY DID WE NOT THINK OF THAT, OH WAIT WE ARE TOO CIVILISED RIGHT.
OKAY THIS PART GETS BORING.
Basically there’s so much cheating even in Russia (not interested) that De beers are uncomfortable. So they talk about how they must clamp down on illegal diaomond exports. Guess who gets affected. De Beers strikes a deal with the Russians that they can live comfortably with. WHY DID THEY NOT DO THE SAME WITH THE REBELS IN ANGOLA. THE RUSSIANS ARE NOT FAMOUS FOR HONESTY. DUH

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:23 pm 



South Africa and Gold

The first South African gold rush followed the first diamond strikes by only a few years.
Mining started in earnest in 1887, and the new township of Johannesburg began to fill with settlers. WHILE SOME WERE RELOCATED TO LESSER PARTS OF JHB.

The first results were astonishing, and by the end of the year it was clear that the Rand mines were fabulously rich. HAWU! BUT WE WERE DELEGATED TO BANTUSTANS HOW COULD WE KNOW.

Many of the Kimberley diamond millionaires moved to new headquarters in Johannesburg I BET THAT’S HOW THEY FINANCED SANDTON, which quickly became the largest city in southern Africa, a position it still holds. AFRICANS WERE STILL LIVING UNDER APARTHEID, SO NO BEE OR AA FOR U SHEM.

Gold has long been the basis for South Africa’s relative prosperity. At least half a million South Africans, including dependents and suppliers, rely on the industry. THEY MUST CLARIFY THIS STATEMENT.

From ancient times to 1989, the South African mines produced more than 40% of all the gold that had ever been mined. In 1970 South African gold production was 1000 tonnes, then more than 70% of the output of the non-Communist world. IF ANC KNEW THEN WHAT THEY KNOW NOW!! I’m telling you ne re tlo phinya CHEESE. LOL.

South Africa is still the world’s largest producer, by far. It has the world’s deepest mine, 3585 m below surface at the East Rand mine. AND WE MUST STILL NOT BENEFIT BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID OF GRAVY TRAIN RIDERS.

The Freegold mine, owned by Anglo American, WHATS NEW was until recently the world’s most productive gold mine at 115 tonnes a year; and Driefontein Consolidated has produced more than any other gold mine, at 2292 tonnes.

The unknown factor in South Africa is the future of labor costs.
The mines employ several hundred thousand miners underground: half the production costs are for wages. Most of the gold miners are members of the black National Union of Mineworkers, which is pressing hard both for political and social reform, and for better wages and working conditions for its members.

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:23 pm 



Lustagp

THhis woodwork comments is boring,,,the fact is Juju is politically intelligent, just check evry artciel with him it gets high numbers of comments simply becaus ehe is a force to be reckoned with, so woodwork was never ever part of his ambtion no wonder he faile dit dismally…

So according to you, JUJU is politically intelligent because all articles about him get high volumes of comments? If this is your reasoning abuti, them I’m having we need a diaper for your mouth too.

Naomi on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:25 pm 



Sorry I meant then… I’m having this discussion with the wrong person, we need a diaper for your mouth too…

mamamia on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:28 pm 



I’M DONE.

But the long-delayed beginnings of political reform in South Africa in the late 1980s coincided with a slump in gold prices. THEY TOOK THEIR MOOLAH AND LEFT – COWARDS.

The South African gold mines, many of them a century old, were by then the world’s deepest, and were technically very difficult and financially very expensive to operate even in spite of the low wages paid to the miners. The quality of the ore was slowly dropping: the average gold ore now averages less than 5 grams of gold per tonne. THAT CANNOT STOP ANGLO AMERICAN NOW CAN IT?

Winnie Mandela is on record as saying to black miners, “You hold the golden key to our liberation. The moment you stop digging gold and diamonds, that is the moment you will be free.” VIVA LIBERATION AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM VIVA… HEHEHE!!

She could not be more wrong. WHAT!!! If the gold mines close, the economic disaster will be visited most on the poorer section of society, the blacks. YES, LIKE THE LAST 300 YEARS WERE PARADISE -_-

The South African reforms were predicated absolutely on a stable and healthy economy. In 1999, the price of gold dropped to a low point around $250/oz. KE ENG OZ? IS IT CHEAP?

This was very bad news for South African gold companies, South African gold miners, and the South African government. OH NOW THE SA GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED, WHAT HAPPEND TO ANGLO AND FRIENDS? Gold companies scrambled to reorganize and streamline their operations. By the time the price again reached $290 again in early 2000, the gold industry had changed dramatically, in South Africa and globally. TJO NO MORE GOLDEN SUNSHING BECAUSE THE BLACK MAN IS IN POWER!!

Page last updated March 2000.

Lustagp on Wed, 3rd Aug 2011 3:31 pm 



Naomi dont start with me, if you were so clever you will get that my statement simply means that he is clever enough to make you boil when his name is mentioned, his mission gets accomplished, he sleeps well at night simply because he has power to keep ‘you’ talking, he is so relevant you cant ignore him right?…

As for diapers and wht-wht for me, let me just say i wont even entertain you, ill comments are fro stupid fools who cant argeu with logic so mna i will pass on your diaper comment just for avoiding to join you in the fools sector!

facebook on Thu, 4th Aug 2011 1:16 am 



Interesting history Mamamia

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